Results for Hashtag #WeAreLiberals

  • Rick Zavitz posted an update 1 year, 1 month ago

    This resolution procedure, strikes me as the “chicken and egg” argument.
    Does the formation of resolutions, drive the party direction or does the “Bold, New Party” direction drive the direction of the resolution?
    If the “Bold, New, Party” has stated in formal, legal terms, it’s long term direction for Canada, (its mission statement) than…[Read more]

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  • FYI you might find this interesting. Read @Maryanne Kampouris latest blog: ”Our vision, our mission and our values” http://www.liberal.ca/newsroom/blog/lpc-vision-mission-values/ #WeAreLiberals

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  • André Brisebois posted a new activity comment 1 year, 10 months ago

    In reply to: Bill Moses posted an update I wonder if LPC should work on a new/different/alternative vision of Canada that will attract people to us as opposed to trying to present a facade with the goal to win an election. Why […] View

    Hi Bill,
    Good post. I recall @maryanne-kampouris had started such a thread a little while back in order to get feedback from Party members. The hashtag was #WeAreLiberals so have a look. The vision statement that was proposed in that document was ”…a prosperous, socially just, united and environmentally healthy Canada for all Canadians.” Your thoughts?

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    • “a prosperous, socially just, united and environmentally healthy Canada for all Canadians”
      I am attuned to this rhetoric Andre but perhaps the man on the street would see it as “just a bunch of words” or the little old lady would say, “where’s the beef”.
      Wouldn’t the NDP and the Conservatives have this same vision but with different ideas…[Read more]

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      • Well in my own opinion, I believe that our centrist approach is a strength more than a weakness. Therefore, we are in a good position to speak of prosperity and social justice in the same sentence, something I feel the NDP and the Conservatives are not as well placed to do. Unity and enviro protection are certainly not issues that I would…[Read more]

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        • Andre, A clarification on what you believe, the V/P statement, is trying to accomplish.
          I tried to apply it to Jason Kenney’s “immigration for foreign students” (see #multicultural).
          How would the Liberal V/P statement, lead, the leader, caucus, membership on issues? Is it worded, in strong enough terms, that direction, is relative obvious,…[Read more]

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          • I believe @maryanne-kampouris is in a better position to provide clarification since she is the one that brought it to the membership for consultation. I only have my own understanding so I could be off… Still, to be frank, I think it is more important that the members of the Party provide their views than just little old me. I think the…[Read more]

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            • Andre, That is why I asked the question, what it is for? What do you personally, think it was created to do?
              Your version of what it was created for, maybe quite different from others.
              My objective, by asking, is to have that discussion.
              I didn’t find it, answered the questions, I had on an issue. Was that what it was created for or some other reason?

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  • Carmine Lemma, Liberal Party Member

    October 3, 2012

    By Liberal Online Community Link to:

    Maryanne Kampouris, National Policy Chair, and to the Liberal Community

    Dear Maryanne Kampouris and the other members of the Liberal Community:

    In reply to your recent letter to Liberal Party members requesting feedback, I have closely read all of the…[Read more]

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  • #WeAreLiberals
    My impression is that the “what Liberals stand for” principles are way too general and too open to interpretation.

    http://www.liberal.ca/what-we-stand-for/

    “Liberals stand for equality of opportunity.” My gosh, I bet the Conservatives do as well. This kind of statement only leads to endless discussion rather than action. …[Read more]

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  • Maryanne Kampouris posted an update 2 years ago

    #WeAreLiberals
    To all Members of the Liberal Party of Canada,

    We have heard many people say that they do not know what our Party stands for, or that we don’t communicate our offering to the Canadian public. One recent initiative was the creation of our What we stand for page with links to policies adopted by the Party during the 2012 biennial. …[Read more]

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    • Thank you Maryanne!!! This is exactly what we have been waiting for – something that expresses who we are, what we stand for. I realize it’s a work in progress but what a great start, Bravo to you, Mike, the National Board and all the members who worked so hard to make this a reality. You all have my full support.

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    • I can’t wait until this is finalized and we can use this to stake out and reclaim our position on the political landscape. Using these points and combining them with compelling messaging for Canadians allowing us to better frame the debate and engage with Canadians in a meaningful way. Gone will be the days of “you don’t stand for anything,…[Read more]

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      • It is our members who should be thanked, for answering such questions as ”Why are you a Liberal”, and for submitting their vision of the Party with persistence and clarity. I look forward to input now that the information has been distilled and formatted for member review.

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    • Maryanne, Great work. I am sure their will be some wordsmiths out there, that will want to change a word or phrase but this what we were asking for.
      Question: These are words like the the other political parties. Such as being “transparent” that put the conservatives out front in 2006. We all know, along with many Canadians, how well that was…[Read more]

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      • Good observation Rick,

        What makes the Liberal Party of Canada different is that it is truly a party where the management is accountable to its members. You remind me regularly that I have obligations to consult and to provide stewardship of the Party on your behalf.

        I believe that by finalising this together we are agreeing to abide by the…[Read more]

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        • Looking good.

          One comment would be to provide a succinct sound-bite of what the document is trying to say…something clear and memorable…short slogan…

          Something like ’Making Canada Better’ or ’Making Canada Better for All Canadians’…

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          • Fantastic. I love it. Thank-you.

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          • There was a suggestion that we might holdl a contest for the best short summary catch phrase. It would have to be anchored in the principles of the statement…. this is the first of the 4 week consultation…something to think about.

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        • Maryanne, You asked for short, sorry, can’t to express the point.
          I take your point, “a Liberal party for the people, ruled by the people”. If these where normal circumstances, old past Canadian days, I may agree, that would be sufficient.

          In my opinion, Canada parliamentary governance is broken. Steven Harper conservatives have lowered…[Read more]

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          • Hey Rick, I just noticed that I didn’t reply directly to this… so this is a quick note to let you know that your comments will note be lost.

            The beauty of this Party is that you as a member can initiate dicsussion on all of these points. We are developing mechanisms that will make that discussion easier.

            Maryanne

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    • That is wonderful, Maryanne! Thank you thank you for getting ethics in there! My first read through and I didn’t see anything I want changed. I’ll let it sit in my mind and then read it again to be sure.

      I am concerned (no matter what it ends up saying, really) that ordinary members understand “this means you, too” Because, while I take…[Read more]

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      • Good point Jennifer, this is indeed a contract we are making with each other… it should represent what we believe, and we should act in accordance with those beliefs. I would expect this to not only be a test of our policies, but also our behaviour towards each other and fellow Canadians. Which is why we need as many of our members to read…[Read more]

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        • I like Jennifer’s idea of us all signing this document, very much. But I think it needs to be more visible, a stronger statement than just signing the back of a card. Something Canada will see and can be a part of, if they choose.

          I can see a cross-country “signing” event. Rallies and parties all held on the same day when we come out together…[Read more]

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          • Hi Martin, This an interesting proposal, and would take a lot of organisation. I agree that we should do something special when this is finalised. Just not sure what yet.. so all suggestions are gratefully accepted.

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    • Very nice. Like it a lot. It is so rewarding to see so many of the thoughts and ideas that we have all shared here and elsewhere. Good job!

      One suggestion … for the principals section … I was very happy to see the inclusion of “environmentally healthy” in the mission statement portion (at the top). Could we also perhaps add something about…[Read more]

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      • Thank you for this suggestion Martin, This is something on which several people have commented: Clean environment / Healthy environment / more emphasis on the environment.. etc.. this repeated message will be looked at.

        Regards Maryanne

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    • A good start!

      Now set the marketing wizards loose on it and see what we get, better let the leadership aspirants pay someone to do just that.

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    • Thank you Shane, with 3 days to go I am looking forward to collatiang all of the comments and seeing to the required changes. Regards Maryanne

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  • Roger Palfree posted a new activity comment 1 year, 11 months ago

    In reply to: Sean Wiltshire posted an update #weareliberals @maryanne-kampouris This comment was written by someone who wishes to remain anonymous in response to the following document: View

    Well, it took me a while to get back to this #WeAreLiberals thread. Annonymous (I do not use Facebook @maryanne-kampouris) has done a service by showing how easily we accept blurbs that sound good, because we a sympathetic to the underlying intention, yet miss the inaccuracies and internal inconsistencies. Also, in coping with the other demands on…[Read more]

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  • #weareliberals @maryanne-kampouris

    This comment was written by someone who wishes to remain anonymous in response to the following document:

    https://www.liberal.ca/files/2012/09/Poster_LPC-Mission-and-Values_for-consultation.pdf

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    Here is some feedback, if someone wouldn’t mind putting it on the community site without…[Read more]

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    • Excellent comments – who ever wrote them – good work!

      I like #5 especially…we claim that we are an evidence based party…but everytime I see policy documents (or the policy deveopment process) – it always seems like we create the policy statement (i.e. we create the conclusion) before we discuss the topic….which in my mind is backwards – and…[Read more]

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    • NOT LEFT, NOT RIGHT, BUT FORWARD – this is a SUPERB banner!

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      • Agree. That’s a keeper. And it’s ours alone.

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      • Just a not here… ”Not left, not right, moving forward’ was used by 2009 Leadership Contestant Martha Hall Findlay.

        Thanks to the person who offered this commentary, who is actually not anonymous as I saw the posting and replied to it on Facebook.

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        • I’m wondering if Martha would be very upset if we ”adopted” her banner on the federal level. It would be too bad to dismiss such a perfect banner just because it was used in one of the previous leadership campaigns.

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    • This is a wonderfully thorough and intelligent critique. Why anonymous? You certainly spent more time studying and thinking about the poster than I have done so far. I hope to remedy that soon, stimulated by this contribution. For now, since we are getting into a more intellectual discussion, on the matter of equal opportunity, it is unachievable…[Read more]

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    • Not to denigrate anyone’s contributions ( particularly mine) and not to suggest this is perfect; but I think a professional has spoken. I think we can all agree Liberals should and do admire that quality.

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    • Good initial document and even better feedback,. ”NOT LEFT, NOT RIGHT, BUT FORWARD” I agree is a superb banner with forward being shaped and informed by the increasingly clear valsues and principles.

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    • On the term ‘values’ this can be problematical because values are what people want to chieve may be true but it is also true that what people want to achive varies widely. When we speak of liberal values you are suggesting certain choices for an individaul are better than others. (and you are telling them that and they might not like it – and I…[Read more]

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    • Let’s hope the Liberal Party can stay more left than right, as it always has, especially on social values, so I don’t like the “banner”. The only course the Party can take is middle ground. The true left is occupied by the NDP, once a party representing only a dissenting vote. How did it do that? Leadership and principles and…[Read more]

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    • Well, it took me a while to get back to this #WeAreLiberals thread. Annonymous (I do not use Facebook @maryanne-kampouris) has done a service by showing how easily we accept blurbs that sound good, because we a sympathetic to the underlying intention, yet miss the inaccuracies and internal inconsistencies. Also, in coping with the other demands on…[Read more]

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  • Rick Zavitz posted a new activity comment 1 year, 12 months ago

    In reply to: Robert Halter posted an update #economy-2 I’ve been making a pretty extensive effort to talk to as many business people as I can over the last few months and have been surprised by how many of them have very […] View

    I don’t think we can just make some arbitrary statement about what and how companies pay their employees.
    It is my opinion that is why the Values/Principal #weareliberals discussion and end result, is so important.
    Does LPC want, should be involved in such discussion? It is my opinion that government cannot be in and out of issues, to suit their…[Read more]

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    • The real problem is that this proposal is more of a tactic that a ’policy’ that should be the basis of a platform. In this case the issue really whether the Liberal Party protects workers rights and strong Provincial legislation to do so including the right of workers to bargain collectively. I agree with Rick.

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    • Big disagreement there Rick, but absolutely nothing to offer as an alternative tells me you think its best to do nothing. Sorry to ruffle some features, but if this Party doesn’t start growing some balls to make a stand, like many people in the last federal election stated. It doesn’t deserve to be.

      Firstly double time for over time is not…[Read more]

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  • Paula Purdon posted an update 2 years ago

    #WeAreLiberals

    Why do most mission and vision statements fail? Quite simply, because they are ALL statement and NO mission or vision.

    I don’t mean to offend anyone who contributed to this document, but having written mission statements, value statements and slogans for some of the most successful brands on the planet, I’m going to be…[Read more]

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    • I don’t have your kind of background but i did privately rather think something similar [ too cowardly to say so i suppose]. It does rather have the feel of something put together by committee. But I’m not sure some the faults can be avoided when there are so many contributors and perhaps quite a few editors and authors. Really i don’t think…[Read more]

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    • So given your experience and the extensive wording, please propose that succinct vision / mission statement that would encapsulate What it Means to be a Liberal… We are asking for concrete suggestions in order to make any required changes.

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      • I pretty much agree with Paula. It is too long – there are some inspirational parts in it but they are lost due to the length. Under VALUES I would delete ”Integrity” altogether as the Cons and NDP would claim the thing. I would suggest something like the following for the other points:

        DIGNITY: We believe in the autonomy, responsibility, and…[Read more]

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        • Thank you for your suggestions Linda,

          I appreciate the time and effort you put into these succinct prposals. I shoulld note that we presented the full range of Mission, values and principles together. They can be disagregated for different purposses and they will form a base for other work (Policy, marketing, membership) as we continue to…[Read more]

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    • Paula, I would have to agree with Maryanne, if you have any concrete, usable suggestions, please feel free to share. The LPC could certainly use actual input from someone with your experience and obvious expertise. But I would like to add that:

      1. I found the proposed statements VERY inspiring.
      2. I can remember most of it (and I only read it…[Read more]

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    • Thank you John,

      The next Policy piece will be succinct summaries of our stances on issues. It will provide the membership with the opportunity to identify gaps or dichotomies as well as to talk to other Canadians about what the Liberal Party offers.

      Maryanne

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    • Paula, I think you have missed the point of V/P exercise. In my opinion it isn’t as much about selling the Liberal visions as it is for Liberals to set their standards by. This is the foundation for that work. It should reflect, in detail how and why Liberals, govern themselves, which means how they will govern the country.
      Your comments fall…[Read more]

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      • I still think Paula has a point, although i’m not sure about 10 words.The framework of something decent is there though.
        Personally i like the what we stand for section. It’s fine and does a nice job of providing relevant information to anyone who reads it [ i assume supporters will be able to access it]
        The most stodgy part for me is the…[Read more]

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    • Practical suggestion: I would cite Equality as one of the values, maybe instead of Compassion. Equality should be a foundation block, not just mentioned in the context of ”equality of opportunity” because that is something Cons claim they offer and if I have understood correctly what it means to be a Liberal, true equality goes far beyond…[Read more]

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    • I think the caption next to the logo at the top contains the kind of visions and mission statements you are looking for. There is no way to say more with fewer words.

      Given its purpose, I think the rest of the poster is well organized and does a fine job at presenting the Liberal values and approach to government. Get that right, and the more…[Read more]

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  • André Brisebois posted a new activity comment 1 year, 12 months ago

    In reply to: Ian Wiggins posted an update #renewal is about identifying something new to say in a new way. Let’s stop reacting, shouting, criticising and step back to crystallise what it is we want Liberals to stand for. I […] View

    Thanks Ian, good post on why #WeAreLiberals. I’m bringing this to the attention of @maryanne-kampouris

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    • Please to see we have someone monitoring the site – thanks Andre. Tell maryanne nice try but policy statements however succinct are just that – they all use the same words – voters can’t tell us apart. We need to stand out and so must abandon our natural tendencies for crafting irresistably cuddly policy statements no one will read much less…[Read more]

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      • Hi Ian.
        I must point out a very important distinction. What Maryanne has shared for feedback are not policies. Rather they are high-level statements that could compose the foundation of our Party – What we stand for. Organizations usually have a mission, vision and values statement to keep them in line. Our policies could then be developed to be…[Read more]

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      • Thank you Ian, this is excellent feedback.

        You will see in other threads where we have noted the need to have a one/two line elevator pitch.. even wondered about having a contest amongst our members.

        In the meantime, the Mission, Vision, Values and Principles of the Party is a basic framework based on the input of members on what it means to…[Read more]

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        • When I say different I don’t mean changing the colour of the walls but knocking some out or living in a trailer – that kind of different. These sound like same old political ”altruisms”

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          • This is your opportunity @ianwiggins to provide some concrete examples so that the ’cuddly” statements might become the elevator speech you describe in your opening of this thread.

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  • Roger Palfree posted a new activity comment 1 year, 12 months ago

    In reply to: Jarek Walter posted an update #LeadershipRace Exactly one week ago Globe and Mail published John Ibbitson article View

    That campaign to make the Liberal Party seem at deaths door, with nothing left but a futile final struggle for an irrelevant life, started the day after the last election. Both Conservative and NDP supporters have every reason to feed that myth via dismissive comments, innuendo and more direct attacks on individuals within the party.

    The…[Read more]

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  • André Brisebois posted a new activity comment 1 year, 12 months ago

    In reply to: Ken Cunningham posted an update Principles A federal Liberal government is dedicated to the protection and enhancement of the lives of every Canadian and is committed to democratic governance, federalism and the […] View
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  • Doug Jackson posted an update 2 years ago

    #weareliberals

    The Proposed Liberal Values/Principles which follows was developed through a members workshop, a Waterloo Regional best practices workshop and questionnaires to all 23 riding in the Southwest Region.
    Upon reading a statement of Values/Principles the reader must be able to say now I know what distinguishes the Liberals from…[Read more]

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    • Excellent Doug. Is this 10 point proposal on the Cambridge riding website?

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      • This is part of a larger paper titled ”Developing Policy and Marketing the Liberal Party” which we published in August and will be up on our website later this week.

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    • Thank you for sharing the work of your group in Southwestern Ontario Doug, As you are aware, the document you posted here was in our hands before we published the Mission,Vision, Vallues and Principles document along with a host of other submissions. I wish to assure you that we reviewed your submision to make sure that the work of our members was…[Read more]

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    • Doug,

      I’m not sure why you are putting up an alternate document that only serves to confuse people. Surely, the document, which the Party has posted for comment, already includes many submissions such as yours.

      IMO, this is not the time to start competing with the due process and muddying the waters by trying to reintroduce your old proposal…

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  • Maryanne Kampouris posted a new activity comment 2 years ago

    In reply to: Bryan Edwards posted an update # should we not spend our time and energy on why people should be Liberals as opposed to why they should not be the other quys. Seems you now spend more on getting my money instead […] View

    Bryan,

    We are currently asking for your and other members’ input on the Party’s mission, vision, values and principles. #WeAreLiberals We also are developing processes and web architecture that will make it possible to have year ‘rouond consultation on policy .

    I hope to have the opportunity to see your comments on the following document…[Read more]

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    • Thank you for the feedback. I shall do my best to get back to you. Thanks again for the response
      Bryan Edwards

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    • I was wondering how the Party would respond to Bryan’s comment about seeking donations rather than making it easier for him to want to vote Liberal. That question wasn’t answered Bryan. I did look at the “document” Maryanne Kampouris referred him to, and I tend to agree that it is formulated, subtlely, in a way that opposes the shortcomings…[Read more]

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      • Hi Peter,

        The answer to Bryan’s comment is that we are asking for more than financial donations. Also, I realise that you must be looking at an earlier marketing piece put up under the banner of “What we Stand For” The document that was produced based on member input over the past 18months is…[Read more]

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        • Hi Maryanne,

          As usual, I appreciate your thoughtful responses.

          I would ask for one thing that we need to clarify who we are, defend us and to reach out to members and that is a war room.

          We lack one where every other party has one. A war room would be a one thing we could put our donations towards and it would help us to defend both our…[Read more]

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          • Thank you @MaryFernando ,

            The concept is an interesting one: I understand the ”War Room” is not just an election / writ focused entity but a full time, strategicly fucused entity with a strong operational and communications component.

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            • Absolutely.
              As one can see, numerous comments both on Liberal.ca and the various Liberal facebook groups are asking for more defence of the Liberal record as well as the enactment of strategies that protect the party and leaders from the various labels that are developed by the other parties. This involves both timely communication and, as you…[Read more]

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              • I forgot one point Maryanne. The reason it is crucial now is that we are entering a leadership race and we need to protect each and every candidate and the party as a whole. The Conservatives and NDP will use the fact that the spotlight will be on the party to attack us continuously. They will also try to frame each and every candidate and play…[Read more]

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                • AS @BobRae sais so eloquently ”we know what we stand for” http://lpc.ca/4g7f (m9nute 6:29 ) often followed by concrete exampes of Liberal policies / stances that derive from our core values. It is our job to share the message in every community through our local involvement in issues that matter to our neighbours and friends.

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            • I agree Mary and Maryanne. Liberals need a War Room and it makes sense to me to ask Warren Kinsella to advise about how to get that critical piece of equipment in place asap. Mr. Kinsella is the author of the book on this topic and a seasoned Liberal.

              John

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  • Ken Cunningham posted an update 2 years ago

    #WeAreLiberals

    With respect to summing up our statement of idenity or branding: this is important we get this right. I’m no fan of marketers and very sceptical of branding – that is until i read a fascinating little interview with S.Delacourt and M. Goldfarb, the legendary pollster for PET. He made a very convincing case for the decision to…[Read more]

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    • Thank you Ken, We are very mindful of the the need for the right branding / framing / messaging. Your suggestions are much appreciated and we will keep you posted on that front too.

      Maryanne

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      • Welcome Maryanne. I’ve never fully bought this idea that we do not know who we are or what we stand for. Maybe we have had a brain cramp there for a while in recent times, or maybe it’s just my age, but i’m convinced by the old adage that if you wan to know who you are just look at who you were; not for any maudlin reasons or mere nostalgia,…[Read more]

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        • Much appreciated Ken, We do know what we stand for, and it does need to be said.

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        • Ken, Maryanne is right, in my opinion, We knew who we where but had let the dust get pretty thick on our ideals, procedures, vision and even our dreams.
          We are in process of cleaning out “gammas house” and their is some really good stuff, we forgot was there, some stuff that isn’t relevant anymore, that needs to go, some stuff we didn’t even…[Read more]

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  • David Momotiuk posted an update 2 years ago

    #WeAreLiberals

    Under the VALUE Responsibility, the sentence could finish like this:
    … when we take action to protect, promote and improve all three.

    Under the VALUE Reason, the sentence could finish like this:
    … addresses their needs without restraining or prohibiting their freedoms.

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    • Thank you for the concrete suggestion David. I see the the difference between taking action “on” versus “to protect, promote and improve” .

      I also see what you are saying about the liberal value of persoan freedom. I believe the latter idea is captured under dignity…. any thoughts?

      As we get closer to the 5th of October we will be…[Read more]

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      • The word is there, however the idea might not be.

        Dignity is usually the result of disrespect. It can fall upon those who are able to survive being piled on and buried alive, literally, verbally or metaphorically, and who are then able to been seen by the perpetrators in a different light.

        Some in the religious world might think of it as…[Read more]

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  • Ken Cunningham posted an update 2 years ago

    #WeAreLiberals

    Not to be unduly picky but i wonder if the Value: Dignity might not be more concretely expressed as respect? After spending a few years living on a west coast reserve i came to appreciate just why native communities try and inculcate this value in their children and members above all others. I would say that respect leads…[Read more]

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    • Not unduly picky at all Ken,

      the Statement is posted for just such comment so that we can get it right as we continue to rebuild. I look forward to any additional comments you have.

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  • Benjamin Kissin posted an update 2 years ago

    #WeAreLiberals

    I like the “What we stand for” page, but obviously a lot more work needs to be done.

    Je voudrais voir une position sur le fédéralisme qui est positif, adopting a strategy that does not pit one province against one another. (I know that it is a pipe dream, but we can let the other parties continue their own divisiveness. It is…[Read more]

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    • Merci Ben,

      As you note, this is only a base. It is part of the #renewal effort that brings us together in an understanding as a Party of what we stand for.

      This is a year of engagement both with Party members and supportrs, and with Canadians on issues of imporatnace. Your stated priorities are those of the Party and I look forward to your…[Read more]

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  • Ray Larson posted a new activity comment 2 years ago

    In reply to: Jean Paterson posted an update Very good start, like the one page poster for circulation. however we need some clear concrete examples of policies e.g. IMPROVE INCOME SECURITY especially for seniors. View

    Don’t worry Jean, those things will come as members gather across the country to bring forward new and bold ideas. I think it’s important that we first start with these principals so that we all know what we stand for – from there great policies will flow naturally. #WeAreLiberals

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