Results for Hashtag #assistedsuicide

    • I think this should be raised as a topic for consideration. Ever since the injustice handed out to David Latimer, and more recent attempts, one of which was upheld by the courts, to legalize this end of life procedure for the willing dying, the right to die to end brutal suffering has become yet another issue that politicians try to avoid. I’m…[Read more]

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      • I agree and I think it comes down to the framing of the language of the argument.
        ”Assisted suicide” is one framing, and may not get the result we are hoping for.
        Promoting the ”right to die with dignity” may be easier to ”sell”.

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        • I agree, the term “assisted suicide” is part of the problem. Suicide has to many negative connotations in our society. It is against many religious tenets and can also be viewed as “giving up” or “abandoning” ones family, responsibility etc.

          I prefer the term “Physician-managed death” and certainly “dignity” is a key…[Read more]

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          • there already is physician-managed death when the dying are taken off life support.

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            • I suppose that is true. So maybe what we need to do is expand on the when, where, why and how those physician-managed deaths can take place.

              I strongly feel that ”physician” should be in there somewhere … I don’t think just anyone should be able to ”assist” in a death.

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        • no problem with changing the name of the topic , except that it may be too broadly stated as “the right to die with dignity”. for example, there’s no dignity in dying alone in an institution, but i don’t think loneliness and being hospitalized are reasons in themselves for assisted suicide. i think it should be more sharply focused, but…[Read more]

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      • for anyone who happens upon this topic, can i get an indication by a showing of thumbs up (thumbs down is a bummer) as to whether or not you think it has legs for policy consideration? i know it hasn’t been fully developed, but i think the concept behind the policy is intrinsically understood. thanks for any comments, thumbs, or whatever you…[Read more]

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        • one thumbs up, and it was mine. okay

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          • this topic, assisted death/suicide got waylayed. i’m wondering if anyone would like to comment further or if there’s any interest at all anymore. it has become more significant with associated court cases such as the current supreme court floundering over who decides over someone in a vegetative state which doctors feel has had his life…[Read more]

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    • i think we agree on more things than you realize.

      i apologize for not saying ROBERT Latimer, who served ten years in jail and more on parole for assisting in the suicide of his severly disabled daughter. i thought it was an act of compassion, not a crime. I guess David was on my mind (mcguinty).

      At any rate, I think “dying with dignity” has…[Read more]

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      • we’re talking about arranging for either your or another’s death, when you or they are needlessly suffering and there is no hope for recovery. i’ve had to extend it beyond “you” because of the case of Robert Latimer who a)knew there was no hope for his child to recover and b) saw her in excruciating pain daily. he was convicted of murder! …[Read more]

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    • (putting this as a new comment instead of under your last comment Peter … getting too narrow in there and I lots to say – again :-))

      My point Peter was that your statement the “courts are with us” – is questionable once the actual ruling is understood. The BC Supreme Court was not supporting the right or legality of assisted suicide, they were…[Read more]

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      • Hi Martin,
        To answer your question about resolution 120, it did not make it to the convention floor because resolution 40 on medical isotopes received more votes in the Health 2 category. The way it worked was that the resolutions with the most votes *per category* moved forward. Therefore resolution 40 made it to the plenary and did in fact get…[Read more]

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        • Thank you André … I figured it was just that it did not make it to convention but I was not clear on how it worked. As always your input is greatly appreciated.

          Peter … it looks like of the 15 proposed policy resolutions in the Health 1 and 2 categories, 120 Support of Euthanasia came in 5th.

          If we want to get this into LPC policy, looks…[Read more]

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          • Individual members are way down the totem pole in matters of policy development, even though this is a supposedly new grassroots Party. I suggest we canvass the potential Leaders to get their opinion/backing/oppostion to this popular (Canadian population popular) proposal, and come up with a good backgrounder. It goes back to the Sue Rodriguez…[Read more]

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            • It’s not euthanasia, it’s assisted suicide. Perhaps better terminology would be “assisted dying”. Maybe we have to wait for the courts, but that shouldn’t stop the LPC from adopting a policy that should be easily dervived from our Constitution and the Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms (in my opinion much more so than the legalization of…[Read more]

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            • I disagree. I think that the way we develop policy in the LPC starts with the individual initiative. Where do you think “grassroots” comes from Peter? Some “one” has to take the initiative and take it to a group (e.g. you EDA) and get the ball rolling. There is a system. Whether you choose to use it or not is up to you.

              You seem to have…[Read more]

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              • This is a touchy subject, but it may have more to do with doctors’ fears of being sued by some family member than anything else (religious convictions which should be totally excluded from politics, especially when we have reform evangelists at the helm of the country). My wife has my directions in writing: no extraordinary procedure. Not one,…[Read more]

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                • I think what you are referring to is a “living will” which can state no resuscitation or whatever your instructions are to be considered by doctors in attendance, and, in your case, as advocated as your wishes by your wife. That’s not exactly what i’m referring to. It’s for those who are dying and are so incapacitated that they need someone…[Read more]

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              • oh? what policy have you developed Martin?

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                • That is a typical response from someone who is nothing but talk and no action, Peter. “Why should I fight for what I believe in … Martin hasn’t done anything”. Brilliant – I expected better from you.

                  Anyway, my point was more about you slamming the LPC policy process when you are obviously not interested in being part of it and ignorant of…[Read more]

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                  • So, in short, you have not developed any policies, but you do slam me for questioning how policies are developed and approved by the LPC. I don’t thnk you know either. Apparently one has to become a member of his/her riding association, and, when I submitted an intention to stand as a director at my assoication I was infomed that I need a…[Read more]

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                    • When you hear about rebuilding the Liberal Party of Canada – it means renewal of the policy development process (happening, ask @maryanne-kampouris) and it also means rebuilding riding associations. This is happening in some ridings and taking longer in others.

                      As a member of the LPC, you are already a member of your riding association. They say…[Read more]

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                      • Thank you. I did not realize that being a member of the LPC that I am already a member of the association. I have no problem with the normal nomination process, but I thought, I guess wrongly, that it had to come from the assoication’s executive.

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                        • Hello Peter, I note that there are some aspects of the Party that are best clarified.

                          First, policy is something that is supposed to come from the members. Every EDA is supposed to have a Policy Chair, who is responsible for engaging both members and members of the public in policy discussions to a) identify issues that matter locally, and…[Read more]

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                          • Yes, thank-you Maryanne. I think there is a difference between stated policy and what happens ion the ground. I know who the Policy Chair is in my riding (EDA), he in fact has a law office right across from my house. I was surprised to learn he was the Policy Chair, only known to me because of an e-mail I received when I stood for election as a…[Read more]

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                          • The issue that seems to be missed is that too many EDAs that are functioning still aren’t functioning in the way they should be functioning, not to mention the ones that aren’t functioning at all. This has been a key rebuilding issue for years. Why hasn’t it been rectified yet?

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                            • that’s been my experience, douglas, but the Party either refuses to believe it or isn’t trying hard enough to rectify it.

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                              • Hey Peter and Doug, “the Party” is you and me, and even the best tools, left untouched cannot help us rebuild.

                                Every EDA President has access to a list of members. Some have capacity to reach out, others have less. If there is something you think can be done that you can help with, please step in.

                                For instance Peter, you have an issue of…[Read more]

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                                • cat fights are not at all useful, unless just blowing off steam, but then you have to go into a corner alley somewhere and lick wounds. sorry for the ridiculous analogy, but that’s how my mind (?) works. fruitful i will be.

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                                • The problem is that some EDAs do not want to hear from its members and does not keep them informed, and some do not even attempt to keep in touch with the members. They have their own little group, and want to keep that power to them selves. I can not even get a list of members locally so that I can meet with them, and the upper party has no…[Read more]

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                    • No Peter you are correct, in the entire year that I have been active in the party I personally have not developed any new policy – shame on me.

                      However, I am working towards that as a member of my EDA. And yes I do know how it works because I asked people nicely and they responded.

                      As a member of the party I believe you are already a member of…[Read more]

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                      • Hey @martin.showell, there is no call to have everyone ‘develop’ policy. As we have ‘discussed’ previously, your efforts to reach out and engage in the communicty are way more important than writing resolutions. WE don’t get elected on paper, or on-line.. it is in our communities that we need to be seen and to be engaged.

                        This includes…[Read more]

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                        • I just happened on this discussion and I was struck by the angst about the policy process… It doesn’t work well, but this is exactly BECAUSE it happens at the grass-roots, EDA level. At this level everyone is a volunteer, usually with a busy life and not a lot of experience. There is often a handful of people who have been involved with the…[Read more]

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                          • excellent comment and advice michel. our eda is crowded a bit, and i expect with veterans, so i’ll have to get elected somehow (or not). either way, that will not discourage me from all things passionate.

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    • That’s right John. Apparently these comments we make back and forth are only overviewed for censorship. Nothing of what we say or advocate goes anywhere. As Andre indicated, euthanasia didn’t make it to the plenary floor, but really hasn’t spelled out how or if it can get back there. I mean, that’s it? There’s a priority list, obviously,…[Read more]

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      • Hi Peter,
        To answer your question, I must start by clarifying the policy process for the biennial convention.

        All PTAs, Commissions, and Caucus can submit 10 resolutions for the convention. With 13 PTAs and 4 Commissions, that makes for a potential total of 180 resolutions. It is simply impossible to deal with 180 resolutions on the convention…[Read more]

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      • Well then why don’t we ask “nicely” for a clarification of the process instead of just complaining – wouldn’t that be more productive Peter?

        I’m sure that @andre-brisebois or @maryanne-kampouris will be more than happy to answer the questions.

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        André/MaryAnne, we had a policy resolution (120. Support of Euthanasia) that was…[Read more]

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        • 1) Is there an easy way for that resolution to be reintroduced or must the process start again?

          Until the policy process is renewed, you’ll have to start the process again at the EDA level. I won’t expand because you’ve indicated how familiar you were with it in your response to Peter. The online policy framework should help with this. I would…[Read more]

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          • Thanks very much André.

            I find that as I gain more knowledge on the process, I am more comfortable getting involved in it – I find it less ’daunting’.

            As always, thank you very much for the response and the information.

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    • From André: About the process (relevant to the Ottawa 2012 Biennial Convention): http://convention.liberal.ca/about-the-process/

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      • this is good, but it’s about bureaucratized as any government department that i’ve worked in, and not grassroots. it is also out of date.

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    • interesting john. i just got elected to the exec last night, ottawa south (david mcguinty). i was more concerned in shaming them into developing a website…can’t believe there isn’t one for the EDA. the riding has been liberal for some time, but there’s no room for complacency. we don’t meet until january sometime, i hope before the…[Read more]

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    • thank you. i told them i’d do the dishwashing after the xmas party, only to find out there’s no xmas party.

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    • just raising this as a topic for an LPC platform. it’s starting to get wider coverage, and will inevitably be an issue as the population ages and becomes more infirmed. it sets out two ideological paths: on the right, the role of religion in setting the morals of the country; on the left, the role of the charter of rights and freedoms to be…[Read more]

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