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  • #internationaltrade
    I dislike the lens with which these agreements are fashioned. I think it is imperative that the international companies be subjected to a human rights code to recognize the citizens right to govern their affairs, to entrench and protect basic life items as food , clean water, cleaner air. Without those rules, all we create are…[Read more]

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  • #internationaltrade
    Free trade is not an option for Canada, it is a must. Canada has prospered and will continue doing so only if it has free access to foreign markets. Our domestic market is just too small to absorb all the output we are producing.
    NAFTA has contributed a great deal to our economic prosperity but we need more now. Canada…[Read more]

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    • A good trade deal for Canada is one that benefits Canada optimally. In particular, it should awaken the talents of our labour force to generate sophisticated products, rather than low level industrial output that can be acquired from low wage economies or worse, Neither NAFTA nor (Hypothetically) CETA are able to benefit Canada in that way. It is…[Read more]

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      • Canada is an internationally oriented economy, the simple fact is that without the rest of the world to do business with we would still be leaving in wood cabin with standards of leaving of a third world countries. There is no benefit for Canada to try copying Albania of the 80’s or “modern” North Korea by isolating ourselves from the rest of the…[Read more]

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        • Trade deals whose objective is to enrich a particular economic group irrespective of national origin, do not, ”co-incidentally” improve the financial position of all citizens of a particular nation, say, Canada. Mr. Harper’s CETA was designed to benefit EU and possibly some Canadian traders. It does not help Canadian farmers, students, etc. In…[Read more]

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          • No needs for links, even though the literature and studies proving the merits of free trade is plentiful, just facts/examples of countries that embraced trade liberalization vs. protectionism. Good examples? South Korea, Japan, Australia, Canada, Poland, Chile, Mexico and numerous others. Examples not to follow in terms of trade liberalization?…[Read more]

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            • Anyone expecting a fellow citizen to accept a self serving assertion without support of facts and principles is most assuredly supporting Mr. Harper by affirming his methodology. He would have citizens believe that his government ad programs were beneficial to them in advising them about programs they could use. The opposition held the ads did…[Read more]

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    • I don’t know how much you know about trade deals but here is the bottom line. Almost every province in Canada, almost every state in the US has lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. The majority of jobs that do remain are low paying service jobs with no benefits and no pensions. Of the dollars that are being made, the majority are from banks,…[Read more]

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    • Redouane,
      While I would agree that the Liberal Party has traditionally been less ideologically entrenched than the opposition, the fact that you treat free trade as a good, in of itself, suggests that you are quite ideologically attached to the ideology of neo-liberal internationalism. You treat this discussion in a rather binary, polarized…[Read more]

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      • Well said Jonathan. Each trade deal must be looked at based on its own merits and use of the term “Fair Trade Agreement” is something that the LPC should pursue.

        However, I do tend to agree with most of what Redouane initially posted. In general Canada should pursue trade agreements internationally – to do otherwise would be to isolate us from…[Read more]

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        • Martin,

          Thanks for your comments and I agree that Canada should most certainly pursue international trade agreements. Clearly, in this era of globalization, autarky is not an option. I also see your point concerning votes which create the impression that some members regard all trade deals to be bad. I would suggest however, that it may not be…[Read more]

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    • Stephen Harper is bragging they have signed all these free trade deals, since they have come to power.
      Some, 30+ agreements, I think?

      One would have to ask the questions:
      Why do we have such a large trade deficit? Who is getting the advantage?
      If these agreements are so great for Canada, why the high unemplyment numbers?
      Stephen Harper’s…[Read more]

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  • John Halonen posted an update 11 months ago

    #internationaltrade

    I am one for Free Trade agreements, but where both sides appear to have benefits.

    The Free Trade proposal between the EU and Canada from my perspective seems to be lacking in one area that our Liberal Party is running their platform on, and that is building a strong and vibrant middle class. I certainly do not want to be…[Read more]

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    • It seems to me that free market trade hits the middle class the hardest since they have been those whose jobs have been traded away eg manufacturing. Free trade in my opinion is about labour costs in the end and so we have companies using what are almost slaves to make their goods at cheaper than cheap cost in countries with little to no labour…[Read more]

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      • Thanks Patricia for your answer.
        I am beginning to think that this agreement is wrong for the middle class, but worse than that we have a Prime Minister, HARPER, who is negotiating away one of Canada`s main resources, WATER, whenl the majority of Canadians would be
        considering that to be our most valuable resource, now and in the future. Do…[Read more]

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    • Any free trade agreements that do not consider nation interests, the citizenry or its elected representatives that make regulations and policies for the benefit of the greater good of a nation is suspect. A nation is represented by its people. All free trade agreements so far represent money and goods and services. Unless labour is considered…[Read more]

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      • Free Trade should take into account the rights of all Canadians, not just those from the Corporate world. Unfortunately we today have a Government that is controlled by Corporate interests that leaves most Canadians without a say. My take on this is that we must change the Government and return to a CANADA that respects the rights of both, EQUALLY!

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  • #internationaltrade Under the guise of free trade, the Conservatives are moving to destroy the freedom of information of the internet in Canada. this needs to be address immediately: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/12/16/tpp-canada-copyright_n_4454199.html?ir=Canada&ref=topbar

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  • #internationaltrade
    Here is a prognosis on the US Economy by Ron Paul. <a href = "http://www.naturalnews.com/042560_Ron_Paul_US_empire_collapse.html #ixzz2i6JXW26u
    “>U.S. empire will suddenly collapse like Soviet Union did.

    Ron Paul is not an economist but sometimes his ideas to carry a lot of common sense. And I happen to agree with him on…[Read more]

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    • Fair trade is a good thing. Taxes at port of entry is probably the most expensive way to collect taxes.

      Having said that, both sides must benefit or else it is not fare and not a good deal.

      Let’s look at the details and make sure we do not put groups of our citizens in harms way unnecessarily. It very well could be a good time to include…[Read more]

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      • We have to watch as well TPP, which is coming fast, and ”fast track” (without knowing what is in) is recommended… We should be very carful about supra-national bodies decide what is good for Canadians…

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        • I agree. The more I read about TPP the more alarmed I get. To quote the Electric Frontier Foundation, “if a regulation gets in the way of a foreign investor’s ability to profit from its investment, the investor can sue a country for monetary damages based on both alleged lost profits and “expected future profits.” There are no monetary limits to…[Read more]

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          • Liberals should not play the “game,” which is rigged in favor of corporations. PET was for the FT with USA, established McDonald commission, but I don’t think he would sign the deal the way it had been written! All FTs are negotiated by corporation bypassing citizens and the government. This private sector corporate court, if accepted by…[Read more]

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            • I agree that Liberals should not play a game which is rigged in favor of corporations. Perhaps game was the wrong analogy. Perhaps insisting that the dog (Canadian citizens) wag the tail (corporations) is a better one. I never understood why something as multi-dimensional as a society should be reduced to something as one dimensional as a…[Read more]

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              • I think the house of cards built by greedy corporations is coming down. Sooner; the better!
                This is why I ask for creation of healthy Canadian Central Bank and Public banking system, so Canadians could wag the dogs (corporations) for their own good.
                That would be a different approach from Harper politics, and Liberals (with JT) could win the…[Read more]

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                • Mark:
                  If you were talking about the US, I would be with you because I believe the US Banking system is crooked and exists simply to make money for the senior executives.

                  But I do not see the same flaws in our Canadian Banking system. I think our banks are managed honestly and for the benefit of both their shareholders and Canadians. We have not…[Read more]

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                  • Canadian Banks look like they are not broke, but just examine their “off balance” sheet items and ask the questions. I never suggested tinkering with them! Just leave them alone! Create Canadian Public banking system (including Central Bank), which would work for interest of all Canadians not only the private banks shareholders. That would…[Read more]

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                    • Mark:
                      I am not qualified to argue with you.

                      I am looking things on the surface (as most voters would) and I am saying ”Its not broke”.

                      Do you have some think tank or other references to support your thinking?

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                        • I did not wade through the entire site, but it seems to be talking about Costa Rica.
                          Do you have think tank papers that suggest there is a value for your idea in Canada?

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                          • To tell you frankly, I do not trust that much the so called “think tanks” as they think for special interests (from left and right) that finance them…
                            What I’m suggesting is to create the competition to private banks in Canada by creating the public bank sector, including Public Central Bank. There is nothing wrong with true competition, and…[Read more]

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                            • I disagree. Having the federal government create a taxpayer-owned commercial banking institution – in the form of another crown corporation – is not what Canada needs. It would be unfair competition – public, subsidized intervention in the private sector.

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                              • I’m not surprised that with opinion like that, we are in the third place…! Why most businesses, which are making money tends to be private or on the way of privatization, and those loosing money; public? Are you for that?
                                No need to create a new Crown Corporation; Post Office CC could become bank… as some Liberals suggested.
                                Why…[Read more]

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                                • To put my two cents in here, I agree with Mark – at least as I understand him – that we should have a Bank of Canada that is beholden to the Canadian people, not to the Canadian corporations, and that that should be clear in its mandate. (Parenthetically, I listened today to a CBC Calgary reporter imply that the only efficient way of getting…[Read more]

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                                  • You are right Alan, “for [filthy] profit only” attitude caused disappearance of the middle class, and appearance of [at least] two elephants in the room; global warming and catastrophic world financial situation created by private banks cartel…! Many people think that Bank of Canada is a Canadian bank… Like US Fed, Bank of Canada is the…[Read more]

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                                    • More regarding the TTP, this time from an American perspective and thanks to nakedcapitalism.com:
                                      Wikileaks Disclosure of Intellectual Property Chapter of Trade Deal Shows It Will Kill People and Internet; House Opposition is Widespread
                                      Posted: 14 Nov 2013 03:57 AM PST
                                      We posted on the New York Times news story that opposition in the House to…[Read more]

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    • Michael, liberals are talking about all kind of things to improve, but there is an elephant in the room that not many are talking about; BANKS.
      We have to create a public central bank, and public banks to get out of reach of international banking cartel who almost brought world economy down in 2007-08. We need to control our economy by being able…[Read more]

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      • Mark:
        We have watched the corruption and crookedness in the US banks in 2008 and I think the reason our Canadian Banks did not get sucked into the subprime mortgages was they were honest.

        We saw what went on in Europe with the LIBOR rates.

        Yes, Canadian Banks get away with all kinds of monthly fees and transaction fees but overall, I would take…[Read more]

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        • Michael,
          This is why we are a “third party” in Canada! We don’t see the real problem. At the Liberal Convention in Ottawa (January 2011) I saw the Liberals leaking their wounds after a terrible defeat of Ignatieff… During the campaign leading to this historic defeat, no Liberals (except maybe Ralph Goodale in local Alberta’s newspaper)…[Read more]

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          • Mark:
            I agree that it was us Liberals who did not let Royal take over BMO with their invalid argument of economies of scale that have just not worked out in the US.
            The US now have “too big to fail” which has been an albatross they can’t get rid of.
            But I can’t see any advantage of our government taking over any of the banks. I believe our…[Read more]

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            • See Bank of North Dakota public bank functioning without a hitch since 1919…!
              That is what I mean for Canada; they do not speculate! Did you look at off-balance sheets of our banks? They are not that solid…!

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              • Mark:
                I cannot begin to get involved with details like “off balance sheets” but I do read the newspapers about their annual profits. The Banks in Canada appeared to make healthy profits even in 2008, 2009 and 2010 when many US Banks went under. If they had risky “off balance sheets” that defaulted, it would show up in their annual reports.…[Read more]

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                • Michael; if you try to see invisible, you may have problems! Off-balance sheets are manufactured by “creative accounting” and can’t be seen by ordinary investors. It takes forensic accountant to detect these items… This game will soon be over, I hope.
                  You think Canadian banks are performing “pretty well” – think again! If anything happens,…[Read more]

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            • I am wondering why Alberta has a public bank. Why was ATB not privatized?

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  • #internationaltrade With so many international trade deals in the making It is a little surprising that Mr Easter is so conspiciously absent with his coments on this site.
    It would be interesting to see what he has to say.

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    • Fred, Wayne Easter is not longer Trade critics. It is now Marc Garneau. I share your concern that the Liberal Party is not being vocal enough on the secrecy and implications of CETA, TPP and worst of all the Canada China FIPPA that Harper seems to have committed to without negotiation on one of his trips outside the country.
      FYI the new shadow…[Read more]

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    • Actually, aside from Jim Karygiannis’ announcements, we seldom see anyone else here except Stephane Dion, whose thoughtful and, of course, well-expressed comments are worth reading and contemplating.

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  • Now is the time, to open our
    James/Hudson Bay area to International shipping. Ports capable of transporting Oil/Wheat and Tourism to all of our Northern frontiers. Finally, a requirement to provide meaningful employment to individuals without having them leave their ancestral grounds. #aboriginal #internationaltrade

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    • Hudson’s Bay is frozen from Mid-December to Mid-June.

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      • Apparently the same issue affects the West Coast of Canada, yet they have a very substantial tourism Industry. With the warming waters in the North it could reduce substantially the amount of ice and make it quite feasible for other traffic. What makes it a real possibility is that it saves thousands of miles of Ocean traffic and it is so…[Read more]

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        • All of what you say is true, but it doesn’t address the fact shipping is unavailable almost half the year. Considering the remoteness and huge up front costs it is not economically feasible at this point. Give Bob Rae some time on his negotiations for the ring of fire native interests and give global warming a few more years and then maybe it…[Read more]

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          • Sure do not understand that logic. What you say is that it is remote and has many up front costs making it economically feasible. That is not correct, Ports are already there, and transportation lines in place today.
            Give Global Warming a few more years and then start discussing. No, the answer is to start these discussions today where Canada…[Read more]

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    • Wow, John I think that you are onto something huge with this!

      Transporting cargo by ship is the least expensive method in the world so opening up the north to container vessels could so radically reduce the cost of living up north that the economy there could be transformed!!!!

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      • Yes, this could make a major difference, not only with people living close by, but to Canada itself. Trouble is today, the Conservatives have their heads buried in the sand and can`t even deal with today`s problems. We need a Party like the Liberals who can take us into the future!

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  • Dennis Tate posted an update 1 year, 1 month ago

    #internationaltrade #multicultural, #tourism Bringing the remains of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov to Israel could transform the economy of Israel and make the pilgrimage much safer for the nearly one thousand Breslovian Jewish pilgrims who visit the remains of Rabbi Nachman annually from Montreal alone!

    A good friend of mine from Facebook, Mordecai…[Read more]

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    • …………”During the Rebbe’s lifetime, thousands of Hasidim traveled to be with him for the Jewish holidays of Rosh Hashana, Chanuka, and Shavuot, when he delivered his formal lessons. On the last Rosh Hashana of his life, Rebbe Nachman stressed to his followers the importance of being with him for that holiday in particular. Therefore, after…[Read more]

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      • I personally have came over to “Liberalism” from a rather conservative approach to life, religion, philosophy and politics much as Mr. Kevin Williams went from being a fundamentalist Christian to being a Christian Universalist through his research of near death experience accounts.

        I have gotten the impression so far that NDE accounts fit…[Read more]

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  • “Conservative failure to invest in Canada’s North hurting Northern families”, as well as All Canadians.

    Conservatives can get headlines by indicating that they want to build a pipeline from Alberta to the East Coast, however no mention is made of using existing facilities in Churchill, Manitoba which is thousands of miles closer where even…[Read more]

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  • Dennis Tate posted a new activity comment 1 year, 2 months ago

    In reply to: Dave McKeen posted an update #cannabis I need medical cannabis and the new rules by that come into effect tomorrow are not going to be very good for me. I have just applied for a license to use and grow on […] View

    Dave…..this idea may well be of no value to you under your circumstances but over in the #internationaltrade section of this forum I posted a proposal for the printing up of a Liberal Party Dollar, similar to CalgaryDollars.ca/

    One of the main ideas that I had in mind when I proposed this was to use these Liberal Dollars to partly finance…[Read more]

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    • This does need to be addressed. I like the idea of a documentary and would suggest that perhaps Marc Garneau might be a good interviewer for the project.. I’m sorry but at the moment I’m dealing with another TIA (mall stroke) and holding focus and attention on a subject is very hard right now. I’ve had two or three in the past month and…[Read more]

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      • Wow!!!!! I just had a hernia operation on June 17. This was the first time that I ever had a surgery of any sort so my level of empathy of what you are going through is up from what it would have been a month ago!

        Dave….I emptied a full bottle of MSM already since my operation. It is a totally natural, inexpensive pain reliever that I get at…[Read more]

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        • Dave….if you do start using MSM I do have one cautionary note. Drink extra water because as MSM helps your cells to detoxify…..the toxins need a way to get out of your body and drinking extra water is the easiest and fastest method.

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          • Have been using glycosamine sulphate, chondroitin sulphate and Magnesium for a few years now. I used a liquid form of magnesium for almost ten years and have cut back on the amount but I still get enough to help absorption of the other meds for my arthritis. I currently drink between three and four liters of fluid a day. By my age, my…[Read more]

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  • #internationaltrade
    I have noticed that as time as passed, discussions of trade with China are ignoring their human rights record and any discussion of how this should affect our trade with China.

    A quote from Human Rights Watch-World Report 2013-China:
    “Against a backdrop of rapid socio-economic change and modernization, China continues to be…[Read more]

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  • #environment #internationaltrade
    It seems rather strange to me that U.S. opponents of TransCanada Corp.’ s Keystone XL project are seizing on the growing distress in Canada’s oil patch as evidence that lack of pipeline capacity can strangle oil-sands expansion and limit the growth of greenhouses emissions in Alberta.
    They are arguing that adding…[Read more]

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    • Jarek:
      If Barack Obama gets serious in his case about Global Warming, then the market for oil will eventually dry up. It doesn’t matter where the oil comes from, they all emit carbon into the atmosphere.

      Our planet must convert to wind, solar, nuclear, geothermal and bio fuel and start reducing carbon emissions significantly or we will be…[Read more]

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      • Michael and Don,

        Somehow, I wasn’t clear in my message which created the impression that I’m advocating for the development of tar sands. My intention was to point out that I’m finding it rather strange that Canadian Keystone XL proposed project is getting so much attention and negative coverage from environmental groups while we hear nothing…[Read more]

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        • http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/opposition-to-trans-mountain-pipeline-nearing-northern-gateway-levels/article4551051/

          That simply isn’t the case Jarek. BC based environmentalists and FNs are just about as opposed as they are over Gateway, KM or likely Keystone.
          While i’m not keen on seeing any of the crap making it out,…[Read more]

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        • Jarek:
          Thank you for this excellent post on pet coke etc.

          What scares me is that most of our leadership contenders do not understand about this stuff at all.

          Justin says he doesn’t like the Northern Gateway but if it tool a less disturbing route then it would be OK.

          Martha Hall Finlay talks about “sustainable oil development” when there is…[Read more]

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          • Michael the idea that we can just flip a switch and hey presto…we have a green new world, is frankly delusional. This is going to take time and some savvy politics on our part. If we follow what i’m reading to be your prescription we will make a powerful enemy of AB and SK. We can’t et to where we should be by wishing the energy sector away.

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            • Ken:
              Could I ask you to listen to this clip from a TED Conference.

              We have about 3 years left to start making significant reductions in our carbon emissions. If we miss that window, global warming could be unstoppable and make our planet inhospitable for human life.

              The outcome of not doing anything is not stated by the politicians because they…[Read more]

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              • Michael you are simply not being realistic. I have a buddy who has been working in Fort Mac for 20 odd years in the oil /tars sands plants now. He can pull in in excess of $10,000/per month. So, no he wont give that up just to built wind turbines…not easily anyway. Many ordinary Canadians are now dependent on good jobs from the industry. I wish…[Read more]

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                • Ken:
                  I watched a piece on CBC about how people live in these mining towns. The story was no about Fort McMurray. It was about Estevan in Manitoba where they have just discovered oil.
                  Yes the salaries are higher but the cost of living is enormous. The school situation is not good and the wives generally are not happy with the quality of life for…[Read more]

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                  • The argument of economy versus enviroment has so far done little to resolve the serious stuation tht we find ourselves in.I’m of the mind that it is unlikely to have a positive effect based on both the lack of progress to date and the large dicoveries of carbon based energy resources including reserves in countries that have not expressed any…[Read more]

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                    • Jim:
                      Ontario has encouraged the development of solar and wind energy by paying higher prices for it.

                      Further, Ontario has phased out its coal power plants which has created opportunities for green energy.

                      As result Ontario is the only province to achieve the Kyoto target of 6% below 1997 levels of carbon emissions by 2012.

                      So one solution…[Read more]

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                      • Michael, Alberta also has a program for purchasing green energy and I don’t think I need to tell anyone how they are doing with regard to carbon emissions.
                        The work that is being done with regard to reducing energy consumption is good but will not result in the kinds of reductions required any time soon. Massive spending will be required, far in…[Read more]

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                        • Jim:
                          I am not proposing that the Carbon Tax would fund large projects. At best they would be used for incentives for consumers to insulate their homes, buy more efficient cars etc.

                          I think you have to start with the power plants which emit most of the carbon. Now suppose they have to pay more for their fuel because of the carbon tax on their such…[Read more]

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                          • Michael,
                            The problem for a net exporting country using tax increases to create a market for energy is that it puts at risk the countries ability to compete in the global marketplace.

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                            • Hi Jim:
                              People are reading the news about the record termperatures in Australia. This was all followed by record droughts and hurricanes in the US. People are gradually connecting the dots back to carbon ppm.

                              Green Energy is already going through a boom and it will get bigger as countries like China get on board.

                              So instead of exporting oil, we…[Read more]

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                              • I wasn’t aware that uranium was renewable. The other thing I would question is how well the dots are being connected.
                                The biggest news story out of Australia two weeks ago was an oil discovery that is being touted as having the potential to be the second largest oil reserve after Saudi Arabia. Reports are that production will not begin for…[Read more]

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                                • Jim:
                                  Yes, they have found a way of burning spent plutonium.

                                  And yes, Australia has not connected the dots.

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                                  • We already have a nuclear reactor that is paid for and provides its energy for free, the sun.

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                                    • Then why do pay 80 cents per kwh for solar power in Ontario?

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                                      • The energy (fuel) is free, as Lawrence said. But the generating plant you need to convert that energy into electricity is not free.

                                        Would you install a 10KW solar voltaic array on the roof of your house and sell the power to Hydro One for 15 cents per KWh or less? Not likely.

                                        You probably would not do it for 40 cents per KWh either once you…[Read more]

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                          • Last year SNC-Lavalin made a proposal to the Ontarion government to build two 1 GW reactors at the cost of $20 billion.

                            The Ontario government signed a contract with Samsung to install 2.5 GW of wind and solar for $7 billion.

                            Nuclear is too expensive and too dangerous.

                            Currently the Ontario is considering refurbishing nuclear reactors with a…[Read more]

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                            • We pay less than 6 cents per kwh for nuclear and up to 80 cents per kwh for solar.
                              Something is getting lost between the cup and the lip.

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                              • how did you arrive at 6 cents an hour for nuclear. From what I can understand I am still paying a debt repayment fee becuase of the 40 billion Ontario hydro took on manily for nuclear.

                                Now I have give you two figures – $20 billion for 2 GW for nuclear and $7 billion for rebewable energy for 2.5 GW. H9ow can you argue with that?

                                Secondly where do…[Read more]

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                                • You are right about nuclear, they have been relieved of a debt ourden that may raise the equivalent cost to about 10 cents oer kwh.

                                  I don’t know what solar energy cost, I can only tell you that Ontario pays 80m cents per kwh for roof mounted solar.

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                                  • Not on new contracts. The current rate for new contracts has been substantially reduced to somewhere around 60+ cents and will drop again in the near future. Ontario needs to stop wasting money on nuclear refurbishment – we’re producing far more electricity than Ontario needs now … why produce a whole lot more?

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                      • Mike, Keep up your arguments. Not sure why you are getting the thumbs down.
                        Everything you are saying makes sense to me!

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                    • Good post Jim. And so far i see no evidence that any other policy ,short of massive govt imposition of regulatory controls [bad idea for a number of reasons] will get this done than a price on carbon in the form of a carbon tax that is mostly remitted to the provinces. Cap and trade would be a poor second choice, but still better than the Harper…[Read more]

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    • If anyone who has been involved in these conversations from Ottawa West Nepean could they please contact me at 613-225-8894 – I am the Policy Chair and would like to get some discussion going locally.

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  • Dennis Tate posted a new activity comment 1 year, 6 months ago

    In reply to: Milinda Jones posted an update #renewal I really want to know is how is the Liberal party going to bring Canadians back to the party? I want to know what everyone is going to do to energize and bring back to […] View

    If you click on #InternationalTrade you can see my proposal for the printing up of a Liberal Party Dollar based on the idea of CalgaryDollars.ca or The Worgl, Austria Experiment of the Depression era!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%B6rgl

    The Wörgl Experiment

    “Wörgl was the site of the “Miracle of Wörgl” during the Great Depression. It was…[Read more]

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    • Regarding EDA’s, I have found it very disappointing that our previous candidate has attended only 1 meeting in the past 2 years and seems uncommitted to the party and its local organization While I realize it was difficult during the last campaign to select good candidates, I hope that, next time around, we select someone who is prepared to stay…[Read more]

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      • This is an interesting point. Others and myself have complained that the former MPs have done the exact opposite: they have not let go of power in the EDA.

        But, there is something to be said about party loyalty!

        So this begs the question: how do we keep committed candidates involved without them wresting power from the members of the…[Read more]

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        • How about having them responsible for a specific task within the riding such as volunteer recruitment and training. This would also require them to be trained on Liberalist, if they are not already trained. It would be an indicator of how well they are able to organise and mobilize volunteers.

          Community outreach would be another spot that they…[Read more]

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  • #Internationaltrade, my biggest concern is that Harper is stopped!!! That he does not ratify the #FIPA Agreement with China, if that means signing petitions sent out by the NDP and Elizabeth May then so be it. At least they are willing to take a bold stand. We are not being bold and we are not taking a stance that Canadians can look up to and say…[Read more]

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    • You can sign all the petitions you want – under Canadian law the government of the day is not required to debate trade agreements and treaties in parliament. The Canada-China FIPA is, I believe a done deal.

      You must also realize that this agreement has been in the works for over 15 years, negotiated by both the Liberal and and Conservative…[Read more]

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      • Martin, While I kind of agree, with your point of view, per the Liberal response up to a point.
        If the Liberals wouldn’t sign the deal, and 15 years have gone by, what makes anyone think, that all of a sudden, the Chinese gave away the farm.
        If the conservatives had brought home, such a important agreement to Canada, when other governments…[Read more]

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        • The simple fact remains that there is nothing we can do about this particular agreement except bring it to the attention of Canadians and formally request that the government not ratify it until it has undergone more scrutiny.

          But that’s just not going to happen. Alas, the perils of a majority government. Maybe this will wake up some more of…[Read more]

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          • Your right Martin, way above my head. I will leave it to those who may know.
            I still think, if it was a good deal, we would be hearing a lot more about it, instead of the propaganda, sent to me by my conservative MP.
            thanks for the link anyway.

            http://thetyee.ca/News/2012/10/19/Chinese-Trade-Deal/

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            • The more I read it (third time now – boring :-) and the more I read about it, the more I hate it.

              Darn, if only the Liberals had thought to change how treaties and trade agreements are ratified while we were in power.

              And if only we had thought to change parliamentary rules regarding omnibus bills.

              And if only we had introduced electoral…[Read more]

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              • Martin That’s what got me into the Liberal party, my naive belief, I could have some affect on the system.
                Canadian democracy/parliament has been failing for a long time. If the public had engaged in the Liberal party now that they are on their knees, we might of had, a chance, to force, improvement of the whole democratic system. It still…[Read more]

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      • How can we have a response when individuals who professed to have read it (somewhere?) say they don’t understand it. My opinion we should fight by all means possible until it is properly scrutinized. I posted that I would advise everyone on my email listabout the no oil upgrading clause. Isit there or not?

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      • Martin: I hope you will remember your “you can sign all the petitions your want” line the next time LPC sends out an urgent call to sign another petition! :-)

        As I write this, we have eight links in the “Fight back – sign our petitions” box on this very page!

        I think Dianne’s point is that our Party has been less that active in the public…[Read more]

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        • My understanding, and I could well be wrong, is that what the LPC is against is that these agreements are not being discussed and reviewed properly by parliament … not that we are necessarily against this specific FIPA.

          I believe that our Bob Rae and Joyce Murray have made the party’s position quite clear with respect to proper and complete…[Read more]

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        • Also, I personally don’t automatically sign every petition put out by the LPC. I study the issue first and decide if I agree. If I do, I sign the petition.

          But … that doesn’t change the fact that in this case, I don’t think the petitions are going to make any difference. This is a done deal. So sign away…won’t change a thing but it…[Read more]

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      • Martin: Indeed, the government of the day can sign agreements. They have to be in good faith, consistent with due process, constitutional re. jurisdictions, etc. The following government of the day can “unsign” the agreements on any number of legitimate grounds with nothing but a bluff about Canada’s business “untrustworthiness” accusation to…[Read more]

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        • And that is certainly something that the LPC could look at as an addition to our election platform. Still, doesn’t stop the conservatives from ratifying. Before we do though, I would like to see a calm and considered analysis by the party as to the pros and cons.

          You also need to remember that this is a “reciprocal” agreement and it will lead…[Read more]

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      • Martin Showell, I was so impressed by your comments from 4 months three weeks ago that I bumped up everything else that you wrote in this discussion!!!!!!!

        We 34 million Canadians are in a position to have a significant positive effect on the lives of the one billion people of China at the same time that we benefit the vast majority of our own…[Read more]

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    • Please see also the post below from @joyce-murray (Liberal MP Vancouver Quadra) where she says she “…put forward a motion that would require the government to send all treaties to committee for a comprehensive public review and debate once it is tabled in the House of Commons.

      Again, something that we can take forward as policy and a positive…[Read more]

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      • Martin, I do know that this treaty has been in the works for the last 15 yrs and I do know Joyce Murray has tabled a motion in the House of Commons regarding all treaties. I think it is too late for FIPA and I believe it gives to much control to the Chinese govenment over Canadian resources. I believe we need to do what ever it takes to get a…[Read more]

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        • Don’t be so sure you don’t have the politic intellect, either.

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        • I’m just not really sure what else we can do Dianne. I agree that this FIPA should get more scrutiny, but it is beyond our power to force that.

          Please see my comments to Rick above, as much of what I said there also applies here.

          The LPC have said that we want it reviewed by parliament and more importantly (to me) we have introduced a motion to…[Read more]

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          • Thank you Martin for your intelligent analysis of this situation. What are the 10 FIPA’s and 14 FTA’s we hould be focussing on?

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          • Martin, I have read your comments to Rick, I think you may be misunderstanding what I am saying or I am not communicating properly.
            I agree, we are introducing motions and working on fixing problems. However we do not hear about it in the mainstream media, at least not out hear in the interior of Britsh Columbia. I read on-line news everyday, and…[Read more]

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            • Thank you for taking the time to read my comments and thank you for the link to Harjap Grewal’s article – I had not read that one and perhaps it will help explain what a FIPA is to those that are not sure and provide a different perspective. Here is another good resource:…[Read more]

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    • NAFTA took 7 years to negotiate and it came under immense political and public scrutiny. And it had to pass through the Commons and Senate, the USA House and Senate, and the Mexican legislative processes, all of which included clause by clause examination by parliamentary committee in Canada. It just so happened that Progressive Conservatives…[Read more]

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    • John: That is a “liberal” sentiment “slave produced dollars”. In this case, more than a little enslavement can be visited upon Canadians. This agreement, in particular, takes control out of the hands of people, Chinese and Canadian and turns them over to another culture; the corporations. We were silent when other agreements were signed…[Read more]

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  • #internationaltrade I guess I’m an awful lot more cynical than most of you. I feel the whole matter of control of our resources is well and truly out of our hands. China isn’t rising, my friends, China has risen, and the sun will not set on her for some time to come. Get in front of her and you will be crushed. I feel that is what the real…[Read more]

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    • Wow!!! I’m impressed by your obviously well informed thoughtful comments Jen!

      What do you personally think of initiatives such as CalgaryDollars.ca/ to stimulate local economies?

      Do you think it may be possible to combine organized barter, local currencies with documentary, reality and semi-reality film production in order to stimulate…[Read more]

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    • Jen, do you think that the threat of rising ocean level could be used to help Canada and China come up to a whole new level of cooperation in the Middle East?

      The City of Shanghai is vulnerable to rising ocean levels?

      https://www.facebook.com/events/408848322534135/?ref=22

      Martha Visits Antigonish, NS
      ….
      This fits perfectly into my schedule…[Read more]

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  • #internationaltrade i have a business.i deal with the u.s. and china mainly.most americans are good guys to deal with.
    this is my point though the chinese are good guys t’ deal with also.
    my experience is they have good products.they have great prices.they want to do business.they are honest.
    i repeat honest. and i give them the money and they…[Read more]

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  • #internationaltrade

    I think we need to tax imports from China. They don’t have any social programs for the common man or a social safety net. They have trillions of dollars in surplus. They are using that money to buy out fair competitive trade practices, and undermining free market economy.

    While we have extensive social programs and…[Read more]

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    • This would result in a loss of trade with China. There would be reciprocal tariffs and taxes placed on Canadian goods and services provided to China. The resulting loss of revenue to Canada would, in the end, hurt Canada. How is this a good idea?

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      • Martin:

        Do you have facts to support your position?

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        • Not really, no. Mostly my opinion after reading extensively on this topic over the past few months due to the proposed Canada-China FIPA. You are of course aware of the fact that Canada is moving towards more open and barrier free trade with China? And of course you are aware that this in keeping with current LPC policy?

          I didn’t really want to…[Read more]

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          • If what you are syaing is true then Liberal policy is hypocritical given the human rights record of China. I think liberals should be ashamed of this kind of thinking if that is what they are thinking and such is out of touch with reality of international dynamics.

            Whatever happened to Liberals championing charter of rights only to capitulate to…[Read more]

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            • So you are suggesting that the best way to influence China (or any other country) is to damage our trade relations with them? To deny them access to the resources they need? To buy less of their goods?

              And this will somehow … what? … teach them a lesson?

              The best way to influence a country is to talk to them, to do business with them and to…[Read more]

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              • Policy of appeasement! they are not isolated but deserve hard bargaining. Harper does bring upo the issue of human rights. Yes we can talk all our lives to get nowhere like the UN.

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          • Your points one thru many imply that your logic is correct and there are no other realities out there. You also want to jump to forcing conclusions on others that are not implied.

            You seem to think we are trapped and there is no way out but being forced to trade with china on their terms.

            That is the psychology of a looser! Give advantage to…[Read more]

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            • I don’t think we are trapped at all. I think it is beneficial to both countries that we continue to have good trade.

              I also don’t think (as you seem to) that Canada is a loser. Tell that to all the workers of all the companies that are selling goods and services to China. You want to put them out of work. That would make us losers.

              I notice…[Read more]

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      • A loss of trade would not be a bad idea when it is so onesided with unfair competition, unless you think that we should close all our factories, and make up the trade deficit by selling all our resources, or even ownership of our resources untll the resources all gone, and when as the future is predicting they will be maning their mines in our…[Read more]

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        • Thank you Don!

          The truth shall set ’them’ free?

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        • Don, you just saved me from writing a very long comment that I’m sure would not have been as well stated as yours. I will just add for Martin’s benefit that he should read “The End of Growth” by former CIBC economist Jeff Rubin. Martin’s reading seems to have been all on the economics of the past century. We are headed for a whole new…[Read more]

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          • Linda: I am going to try and respond to all your comments in one place – this discussion has become far too disjointed. This will also be my last post on this thread as I feel it has completely lost the original point that Keshav was trying to make (falsely imo) and I also do not appreciate the tone it is taking.

            Why are you being so rude to me?…[Read more]

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      • So many good points raised here by Don and Keshav. Martin, I usually agree with you but your head is in the sand on this one. Kershav is absolutely right that we should identify products that we can make here and put such high tariffs on similar products from China that no one here would buy them. Kershav is also correct in saying that we are…[Read more]

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        • You are entitled to your opinion Linda, as I am to mine. I do not appreciate your comment that “my head is in the sand”, however. Very unkind and not at all true. I have done considerable research on on Canada-China trade. I believe I have a good grasp of international trade and the situation with China. I have formed my opinions. I am open to…[Read more]

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    • We went through this with Japan in the 50’s.
      This too shall pass.

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      • Bill:
        It has been nice to have a trading partner like to US. They speak English and they are close by. So we almost have an “order taking” relationship with them. We just sit there and wait for the phone to ring.

        But the US is having real economic problems that are likely to get worse. Its not just their national debt, they have increasing…[Read more]

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    • Hi Keshav:
      The problem with Stephen Harper is he perceives trade with China as selling them resources from Western Canada while the rest of the country imports 3 or 4 times what we export.

      I think we have to try to turn this around where we have a trade surplus with China and its not by selling them more resources. We have companies like…[Read more]

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      • Sorry Michael they don’t need your services. They have got these capabilities themselves thank you! They might even lend us a hand! China is as technolgically advanced as any other country on the planet. We did not build their bullet train or the train from airport into Beijing city which we in Toronto don’t have.

        My own thoughts are that…[Read more]

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        • Keshav:
          The bullet train was built by Bombardier which is a Canadian Company.

          SNC Lavalin (another Canadian Company) is building a number of nuclear power plants there.

          I am not playing down China;s technical capabilities. The point is they are putting these projects out to tender for international bidding because they can’t do all the work…[Read more]

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          • Good points Michael. I’m afraid that Keshav really doesn’t have all the facts. He does not understand international trade, Canada’s capabilities, or China.

            Unfortunately, there is a strong anti-China sentiment in Canada. I really don’t know where it comes from.

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            • Martin I don’t think you do either! If you were so valuable in your knowledge and opinons you would not be here spending all the time for other people to listen to your opinions for free!

              So let us get away from pretending that you know it all. Others have opinons too!

              Be humble if you can as a liberal.

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              • I don’t know it all Keshav, far from it. I am here on this site to learn from those with knowledge and to help educate those without and to discuss policy and ideas.

                The fact is Keshav, you offer no evidence to support your isolationist policy suggestions – ever.

                You seem to be unaware of the existing trade and agreements between China and…[Read more]

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            • Its not an anti China mentality its an cautious about free trade mentality. There are major dangers in engaging in free trade with such a large trading partner. That’s where the FIPPA is going. Elizabeth May’s concerns need to be considered. http://www.greenparty.ca/stop-the-sellout key points:
              We at the Green Party of Canada believe…[Read more]

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          • You got me there! We do not have a bullet train. Bombaridier as far as I know is fairly an international company by now.

            The strong anti china sentiment comes from its sad human rights record. You recall the shoot out at Tianamon square? Because people wanted a say in running of the country? Is that too much to ask? What about their hard…[Read more]

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            • Keshav:
              Re: Human rights I look at it this way. We trade with the US which probably has the worst human rights record in the world. They carpet bombed Iraq and killed 300,000 innocent Iraqis when there were no WMD and no connection to AlQaeda. The war in VietNam was just as stupid. The US love to attack countries who have no air force with their…[Read more]

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              • Um, excuse me … ”people from that part of the world” (you mean Asians) ”do not have the range of human emotions that we have” … ?

                Are you serious? Do you have any idea how racist a comment that is?

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            • Please explain to me – PLEASE – how raising tariffs on Chinese imports (how much and on what – you refuse to say) is going to help change human rights issues in China – HOW?

              And how does it help our economy compete with theirs? HOW?

              You have all these opinions but I see no substance in anything you say. Just anti-Chinese. How does that help?

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          • Their manufacturing sector is the largest in the world by now. We are loosing the battle of trade, and yet people want to help them further to destroy our economy and export our jobs. Wow! If we did not help them beat us then someone else will…

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            • Keshav:
              I think Walmart will still be getting their stuff from China no matter what sort of deals we do.

              But car manufacture is coming home. Jeep was going to move some of its assembly work to China but ended up keeping it all in North America after looking at the numbers.

              We will still have the trades jobs for vehicle mechanics, electricians,…[Read more]

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              • Actually, Chrysler never planned to move any Jeep production to from North America to China… that was an unfounded rumour made by Mitt Romney during the U.S. Presidential campaign. Chrysler’s CEO took Romney to task over that very quickly.

                Fact is, Jeep production has expanded in the U.S. to meet domestic demand in North America. Jeep…[Read more]

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                • Hi Doug:
                  Yes, you are right.

                  The key point is auto assembly is pretty well gravitating to the country where the product will be sold because of the increasing cost of transportation. The same applies for other things that are heavy.

                  So we should recognize this trend and educate our young people for the types of jobs that will be here 10 – 20…[Read more]

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                • my understanding was that some jeeps were being exported to china, but now they will be built there instead. so the decision does mean a loss of US exports to china but is also an indication of the success off jeep in that production can be transferred there – much as the japanese moved production to the US once they were successful

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            • Trade is not a battle – it is a two-way street to shared prosperity and growth.

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              • Unfortuneatley we have a large trade deficit with China, and our prosperty is dimishing as we try to trade with countries that have very low standards of living, it pulls us down to their level.

                It is not China’s fault if we are so greedy that we will buy from anyone, and ignore the jobs we are removing from our home, neighbours jobs, who will…[Read more]

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                • It is not greed Don. You tell a family that is trying to clothe 4 growing children that the cost of those clothes is about to go up 300% because of – what? Because they are greedy? I’m sorry I don’t understand how closing our doors to business and trade, isolating ourselves and other countries and stopping our population growth (?) is going to…[Read more]

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                  • Exactly my point, lower our standard of living by competing with lower standards of living and the only thing we will be able to buy is inadeqate food, and more then one family squeezed into on small dwelling.

                    And it is not the greed of the poor I am talking about, they do no have extra money for toys. But they are the ones who work in retail…[Read more]

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                  • Martin, it will be an adaptation for everyone. Second hand stores are full of fine clothes. I don’t mind saying that I’ve used them myself. When more products are made here by unionized workers everyone’s standard of living will go up. You’re right that trade is a two way street but the problem right now is that most of it is coming here…[Read more]

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              • And we have a big problem with our Balance of Payments vis a vis China. We need tarrifs to ensure that more goods are produced here. China with its quasi slave labour will always be able to produce goods cheaper than we can, leaving us to sell our raw resources to equalize our balance of payments. When our resources are gone we will have…[Read more]

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    • Certainly they have an abysmal record on human rights. But if we try an hold everyone to the standards and principles of the Liberal Party, hell we can’t do business with anyone – not even ourselves. Canada’s past record and current policies on the poor and on aboriginals are terrible! Maybe we should stop business all together!

      Contrary to…[Read more]

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    • diane francis of th enational post is someone who i do not always agree with, but on some issues like immigration she can get things right. read her column on the trade deal with china http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/11/02/canada-china-trade-deal-is-too-one-sided/

      more trade is not necessarily a good thing – it depends on strategy. for…[Read more]

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    • I think a major point has been missed. China is now part owner or Alberta resources. As such, they can set the price they sell those resources to their own country and a percentage of those profits will be leaving Canada one way. They are the big winners here and to my mind, Harper has sold us out for some obscure reason. I swear, he is acting…[Read more]

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      • Mullroney made a real deal with airlines when he was in office, and after retiring he made some real cash as advisor to the same company! If I have my facts right, it was pretty convoluted in the end.

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    • This is just an ad for selling you something, books, investment advice, whatever.

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    • Keshav:
      That is a very long document but I did read the first half.

      I think most of what he is saying is true. The Chinese are very hard working people and they more together in a more harmonious way than we do in North America. They are no longer just producers, they are leaders in research as well. Anything they want to do, they can pretty…[Read more]

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  • #internationaltrade

    Given that government of China owns Nexen, will they now invest in pipelines made in China or Ontario? Chinese can easily fix their prices by subsidizing them. It seems to me that we let a camel in with no expectation of benefits to Canadian industry.

    They got trade surpluses and they have the capcity to undercut out…[Read more]

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