Results for Hashtag #leadershiprace

  • #leadershiprace getting ready for VictorAndres candidate for KSP

    Vote
      0  
  • Sang Riel posted an update 8 months, 1 week ago

    #LeadershipRace. I encourage all members to take a trip to the farm for some fresh manure to lovingly box up and send to the following individuals. They want to play dirty….Game On ..Mess with the best..go down with the rest…If you can’t afford quality manure send some worms or dirt…[Read more]

    Vote
      0  
  • Sang Riel posted an update 1 year, 6 months ago

    #leadershiprace #ads Make no mistake…Attack ads are nothing more than dressed up cyber bullying and need to be stopped by the C.R.T.C. RIGHT F%CKING NOW. This is a complete and utter Disgrace. Our children are being exposed to an example of ridiculing another person and that.. is disgusting to watch. There can be no double standards…[Read more]

    Vote
      1  
    • http://www.mackaycartoons.net/2008/huh2008-09-17.html

      What’s this about being in over his head?

      Vote
        0  
      • I made this complaint to the CRTC and I encourage all Canadians Liberal or otherwise to take responsibility for our young minds and submit this immediately.

        The current Conservative Government attack ad on Mr. Trudeau, is the absolute equivalent of cyber bullying and is sending the wrong message to our children. Personal attacks are NOT…[Read more]

        Vote
          0  
        • While the CRTC may be one avenue to curtail this, I’m surprised that Elections Canada has not opined on the matter, nor taken any action (that I’m aware of) to address such tactics. The Canada Elections Act states the following at para 91 (within Part 6): ”No person shall, with the intention of affecting the results of an election, knowingly make…[Read more]

          Vote
            0  
  • #leadershiprace I use to think Justin was a great guy. Now I think he is a great great guy.
    I like him more than Justin Bieber that’s for sure.
    Take care
    Gare

    Vote
      1  
  • #leadershiprace Yes! We made it! 100,000 votes! And most of them non-members! Now, whoever wins this race, has to spend her/his energy to convert as many of those supporters to members as possible!

    Vote
      7  
    • Agree.
      With this kind of momentum the new ridings are going to have to pull their weight and start organizing events to get people involved.
      Nothing to pushy , maybe a liberal summertime b-b-q. Once someone knows you in person it is easier to talk to them. By the time 2015 rolls around we should if well organized. If not, we will only have…[Read more]

      Vote
        5  
    • Sergiy, are you going to be at the Hamilton policy meeting this Saturday?

      Vote
        0  
  • Justin Trudeau campaign draws 150,000 supporters to Liberal party.

    And I am one of them.
    We need Trudeau as much as he needs us.
    We must rid ourselves of the Conservatives under Harper before Canada is destroyed!
    #leadershiprace

    Vote
      12  
    • Someone once told me this about PET:
      sometimes you love him,sometimes you hate him, but he always tells you what he thinks. For that you always respect him.

      If Justin can be like his father in this way he will do well. Always tell the people the truth even if it is not what they want to hear. In the long run they will respect you for it.

      Vote
        14  
      • Could not have put it better.
        With Harper no one knows, what he is going to do, even his own co-horts.

        Vote
          15  
        • Hi John! Welcome to the Party Sir!

          Until I met Ms. Martha Hall Findlay in person I thought the same way as you do! Frankly I do believe that Justin will win this but I would love for Ms. Martha Hall Findlay to come in a strong second place because she has given me the impression that she is the leadership candidate who can get Blue Liberals and…[Read more]

          Vote
            -1  
          • I am of the opinion that this other method of climate stabilization through the desalination of ocean water and producing food in desert areas has the potential to usher in a new era in our relationship with the Islamic nations and Israel!

            https://www.facebook.com/events/408848322534135/?ref=22

            Martha Visits Antigonish, NS

            …..This message…[Read more]

            Vote
              -2  
          • So let me get this straight. You are a member of the Liberal Party of Canada and you voted for a Conservative in the last election.

            It is your democratic right to vote for whoever you wish. However, you are supposed to support the Liberal candidate in your riding so long as you remain a member of the LPC.

            Am I missing something here? People…[Read more]

            Vote
              6  
            • Hi Alton: After I spent over a year in Ecuador and saw real poverty I wanted to become more involved. I ran for public office three times as an independent…but I wanted to find a party. The Liberal Party is clear in taking climate change seriously…..whereas Conservatives tend to be climate change skeptics….but I personally believe that…[Read more]

              Vote
                -4  
              • canada is way up there in greenhouse gas emission per capita. you can’t compare a country of 35 million to another of over a billion (china). and the fact is that oil sands production is one of the largest energy emitters. we are in the process of reducing coal-fired electicity, but the rapid increase in developing the oil sands far outstrips…[Read more]

                Vote
                  3  
                • Valid concerns Peter Haley and I would love to get your opinion on a theory that I put forward on the #Science forum regarding the Stanley Meyer hydrogen fuel dune buggy? I may be wrong but I can’t help but suspect that by proving to be an even better ally in assisting Israel to attain peace with Jordan….we might just give the Prime Minster of…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    -3  
              • The term ”highly competent” loses all meaning when applied to Peter MacKay.

                Vote
                  6  
                • Hopefully he is gone next election after bungling his way through defense purchases in between taxpayer funded helicopter fishing trips.

                  Vote
                    4  
                  • Anybody who is engaged to Miss World Canada isn’t all desperate to go fishing in Newfoundland but is probably there partly to have something to talk about that is of interest to many members of the Canadian Armed Forces!!??

                    Vote
                      -2  
                • Actually, a friend of mine who is an active member of the NDP recently stated in one of their meeting that the best way to get reelected in the next provincial election would be to hire the kind of people that Mr. Peter Mackay hires to work in his office!!!!!!!

                  Mr. Mackay wisely ”hires up!”

                  Vote
                    -2  
            • Just because someone voted Conservative last time does not mean that they are plants. There are plenty of Blue Liberals and Red Tories who come into the circle. Like me, some choose to stay. These folks tend to have conservative-leaning economic ideas but are still quite liberal in a socio-political sense. Like me, there’s no way I’ll support…[Read more]

              Vote
                14  
              • John, you might want to reread Dennis Tate’s post. He joined the Liberal Party in 2009 and states that he voted for Peter Mackay again in 2011. That means that he is a Consevative and not a Liberal.

                The Liberal Party spent muti millions in the last election. The candidate and FLA in Mr Tate’s riding spent 95K$ in the last election and will…[Read more]

                Vote
                  0  
                • I joined the Liberal Party because it closest fits my outlook on politics, society and the economy. I won’t comment on your “obligations” but I think your understanding and my understanding is somewhat different. As a party member, the party should be asking me and others what I think and draft policy accordingly. I won’t be taking marching…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    5  
                  • John, one of the main points behind political party membership is the expectation by the party and its membership that the individual member will vote for the party candidate in their riding. That is one of the obligations associated with party membership.

                    There is absolutely no point in making a commitment to one political party and then voting…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      1  
                    • Alton, to some degree I understand your position. The other side to the equation is that over the next three years a peace deal could potentially be made between Canada, Jordan and Israel. Mr. Justin Trudeau, Ms Martha Hall Findlay or whoever else is chosen to lead the Liberal Party could be in the middle of this….but they need to be free to…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        -3  
                      • Alton, be my guest and report me to officials in the Liberal party suggesting that my membership be revoked! This will mean that several highly ranking officials will discuss the full case and if they feel that I am correct that we are in an extremely auspicious position to accomplish something of value by debating climate change with Mr.…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          0  
                  • Wow!! Extremely well said John!! I listened to speech after speech by Mr. Ignatieff on CPAC in 2011 and they were simply too general and too similar….I think of them as “The Hope Lectures”…..Yes they were 98% politically correct and polished and enunciated perfectly….but I needed more specifics….I needed to be told clearly some of the…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      0  
                • Alton, I don’t blame you for being angry with me! I knew perfectly well that was coming when I did it….but if Canada decides to elect a Liberal P.M. in 2015 or 2016 the possibility of convincing Mr. Mackay to walk across the floor….is real and should be considered…..the fact that Mr. Mackay takes climate change seriously and knows the area…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    -1  
                • Alton, so your view of party membership is that I pay $10, pay a monthly Victory fund amount, do work for free year-round and then expand that volunteerism during election periods–and lose the right to my own vote? I agree with everything but the vote part. That is mine and I’ll do with it what I please.

                  Vote
                    3  
                  • Jennifer do you read what you post? Do you understand what it means to be a member of a political party?

                    Nobody is suggesting that you give up the right to vote for whomever you chose just because you have chosen to join the LPC. However, it is important to realize that the Liberal Party exists to elect its candidates to parliament and elect…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      2  
                    • Nonsense. I joined the Liberal Party to make it better in practice, and to uphold the principals and vision it says it believes in. I’m thrilled with our new “what we stand for” for example. I strongly believe in those concepts. But, if the candidate in my riding is not the best candidate in my riding, or believes that all of those things…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        5  
                      • Jennifer, I thought you were a supporter of Proportional Representation. Did I get that wrong? (sorry if I did). But if you are, I’d be interested in understanding how you rationalize PR with your above statements regarding voting for a CANDIDATE as opposed to voting for the PARTY. My understanding of “pure” PR is that the vote is for the party…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          2  
                        • Thank you for your question, Martin. When PR advocates in Canada say “PR” they almost never mean pure PR, which is a dumb system that causes the problems highlighted by people who don’t like PR. So, as an advocate of PR in Canada, I mean Single Transferable Ballot, or Mixed Member Proportional or P3, or some system that has an element of…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            2  
                          • Well now, that’s what I think too. Interesting. I wish advocates of ”PR” would take the time explain this to others. I get it, but I think many don’t, which causes a lot of problems when people see just ”PR”. I actually thought this was your position but wanted to provide you an opportunity to explain it. More of us should take the time. In this…[Read more]

                            Vote
                              2  
                            • Well, it is very nice to completely agree with you, for a change :)

                              I even agree with the concept that it really isn’t PR vs. PB because it can easily be PR AND PB–and I think it would a) be easier to come to an agreement on one system and b) get more things to like if we go with the combination of the two in one system or another. I am well…[Read more]

                              Vote
                                1  
                              • Well, we even agree in our disagreement. We both agree that it is imperative that Harper is defeated in 2015. I believe he will be. I do not believe that he has any hope of another majority and quite possibly won’t win a minority. This is why I so vehemently disagree with cooperation. We don’t need it and the risk is too high. As was pointed out…[Read more]

                                Vote
                                  2  
                      • I deeply appreciate your comments Jennifer! For the record at the time of the last election I was reading a lot about the Global Dimming effect, specifically the Maldive Island study, which makes a clear policy on climate change necessary! There is a real danger of a well intentioned by not so well informed group of bureaucrats coming up with a…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          0  
              • Thank you immensely John! I actually visited the offices of the NDP and Green Party several times before finally deciding to go Liberal. I have friends in all the other political parties and when an opponent does or writes something that I believe deserves at least some credit….I want to jump on it so that they don’t stop!!!??

                I admire your…[Read more]

                Vote
                  -2  
            • no you are not missing anything..he’s easily sucked in by reform/com crap.

              Vote
                1  
            • I think you said it best in your first sentence. I could support Liberal policies and ideals but have no respect for the Liberal candidate in my area. I might not vote Tory, in fact would not, but I wouldn’t support my local candidate either.

              Vote
                1  
          • Dennis, you obviously don’t understand what it means to be a member of a political party. If you can’t see your way clear to vote for the LPC candidate in your riding then you are obligated to leave the party. Peter MacKay is a cabinet minister in the present Conservative government. You do not have the right to vote for anyone other than the…[Read more]

            Vote
              2  
            • Where on earth does it say in the membership form ”Thou must vote Liberal come hell or high water from hereon out”

              Why bother finding quality candidates if a potted plant is good enough? I don’t know the Liberal candidate in MacKay’s riding and I have a very hard time imagining I wouldn’t prefer him/her over MacKay, but that wasn’t my vote.

              Vote
                1  
              • Jennifer , Dennis Tate is a supporter of the CPC MP in Central Nova. He paid his membership to our party but actually votes for the other guy and he thinks that the other guy is doing a great job.

                This isn’t an issue of voting rights. You don’t seem to understand this. If you aren’t a supporter of the Liberal candidate in your riding and,…[Read more]

                Vote
                  2  
          • I absolutely agree that MHF would make an astonishingly strong candidate. She is smart, has a huge CV, interesting viewpoints, and is very personable. I can see her on the international stage as PM but have trouble with JT and that image.

            Vote
              4  
            • She also has the potential to become Mr. Justin Trudeau’s right hand woman in the event that he is elected Liberal Party Leader. I got the impression when I met her that she has forty to eighty more IQ points than I do….she also has that drive to win that athletes have……The fact that she came out in support of a particular pipeline project…[Read more]

              Vote
                1  
      • JT presents himself as a nice young man with good intentions and able to deliver bombastic and opaque speeches. He should campaign for others who have something clear to say.

        Vote
          -10  
        • Lol. Justin is very clear about real electoral reform – NO WAY!

          Vote
            -14  
          • Now Patricia … that’s not really true is it? Justin Trudeau DOES support electoral reform. He is a strong supporter of preferential balloting.

            I think what you really meant to say is he doesn’t support your, personal view of electoral reform.

            Let’s at least try to keep the facts straight and not tell untruths about the candidates we don’t…[Read more]

            Vote
              12  
          • It is interesting that this topic, named LeadershipRace, became a discussion about cooperation and PR system. I am happy to note that only JM had the audacity to bring these hot topics into the race. This makes her stand out facing her competitors who are unable to respond with progressive arguments if any at all.

            Vote
              4  
            • I agree!

              Vote
                4  
            • LOL – It was turned into discussion about cooperation and PR by three or four aggressive posters on this and a few other threads who are attempting to monopolize the discussion on liberal.ca and turn it into a campaign vehicle for their preferred candidate. Notice how instead of starting a thread that is pro JM, they chose instead to launch their…[Read more]

              Vote
                4  
              • The only ’danger’ is to win while cooperating and then implement a PR system. This is more important for Canada than anything else.

                Vote
                  1  
                • I was not aware that the LPC had endorsed PR. I believe we endorse some form of electoral reform but that the actual workings of that are still unknown. At best I believe we officially support PV.

                  So, not only is your assumption that the only way to get electoral from, is through cooperation wrong, so is your assumption that the LPC supports PR.…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    6  
                  • It’s ironic that you would suggest that LPC supports this or that policy as if all policy were cast in stone. I thought the members/supporters were voting on a leader who hopefully has vision and isn’t merely a representative of LPC policy

                    Vote
                      -3  
                    • (I’m not sure you understand the meaning of the word ironic as it does not apply in this case)

                      No policy is ever “cast in stone” and the leader can veto policy adopted by the membership and can create their own. However, a leader that ignores the wishes of the membership would obviously be in jeopardy of losing support.

                      At our conventions we…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        4  
                • George, how do you think Marc’s departure will affect JM’s campaign?

                  Vote
                    0  
                  • The ’ JT’s competitors’ camp lost an important colleague. I am disappointed that he bailed out but I can understand that he would not want to be the ’loser’. But I am completely flabbergasted that he supports JT now. He was the one who continuously repeated the ’JT is not the right stuff’ mantra. What happened there? Was it all a theatrical…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      0  
                    • It is amazing that you did not bother to even read MG’s remarks. You are so anti-Trudeau that you missed completely where MG challenged JT to answer his questions and when JT did, MG accepted that he is in fact the leader that MG thinks we should have. Marc accepted JTs answers. Why can’t you?

                      How incredibly shallow and rude of you to dismiss…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        3  
                    • Some are apparently troubled that I do not take MG’s bailout as the proof that JT is now ’the right stuff’. For me JT remained the same person who started the campaign. The one who changed was MG. I choose not to emulate that.

                      Vote
                        2  
                      • Again, nothing positive about your preferred candidate, just more negativity about the others. Maybe that’s why the JM team is losing – her ’support’ is all negative energy.

                        Vote
                          -1  
                        • You continue to amaze me? Star struck are we! Joyce Murray has the momentum and even the mass media is writing about it. :) I can post the news stories if you like or anyone can simply google Joyce Murray AND Momentum and they’ll see all the articles written. Justin’s team is scrambling now despite all the advance campaigning as it will in…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            -2  
                          • Yes, I am amazing aren’t I? :-)

                            I am absolutely NOT star struck. I have not thrown my support behind any candidate – I have defended JT against unfair and untrue attacks, mostly for some reason, coming from supporters of JM – not sure why that is happening and I thoroughly doubt JM supports attacking other candidates, she seems far to fair a…[Read more]

                            Vote
                              4  
                  • In my opinion Mr. Garneau knew that by withdrawing from the race he was going to make the contest between Mr. Trudeau and Ms. Findlay a lot closer which was one of the best things that he could possibly do for the life of the Liberal Party! Way to go Mr. Garneau!!!!!

                    Vote
                      -1  
              • Martin Showell replied 1 month, 4 weeks ago

                Brian, you make some very good points.

                First, can I ask for a reference for the data you refer to regarding 40% of Liberals will never vote NDP and 33% of NDP will never vote Liberal. I can’t find that information anywhere. But, assuming it is true, that still means that 60% of Liberals and 67% are…[Read more]

                Vote
                  2  
                • Thank you for re-posting those musings of mine Patricia! Very nice! I am so charmed that you took the time to research my feelings!

                  However, it seems you skipped over my post from … Martin Showell replied 2 weeks, 6 days ago:

                  “My feelings on “cooperation” have changed. At one time, not so long ago, I supported the idea. But after lengthy…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    3  
        • Justin is the only one that can succeed against the Conservatives. We need to
          reach the electorate. That is what he can do and he has proved that by soundly defeating all those that campaigned for the right to lead the Liberal Party.

          Vote
            0  
          • You’re suggesting the race is already over? Perhaps you know something the rest of us don’t.

            Vote
              8  
            • Liberals tied with Tories… but would win commanding victory with Justin Trudeau as leader: poll
              Justin Trudeau continues to reshaped Canada’s political landscape with a new poll finding the Montreal MP would take the Liberals to an election victory if he was leader of the party.

              Let us hope it is over as Justin can bring our Party back to where…[Read more]

              Vote
                -1  
              • I have mixed feelings about the Liberal Party winning a strong majorirty and it has much to do on returning democracy to Canada. I seem to think a Liberal minority with the NDP as the power broker could possibly help bring proportional representation to our so called democracy.

                Vote
                  6  
                • I’m not at all sure about that.

                  Here in Ontario, the NDP have been less than entirely upfront. I can’t see how, if they can smell success, they will do the superhuman thing and not savage whatever stands their way. They have, still, a legacy to make because they are relatively `new’.

                  Vote
                    2  
              • One question I would ask about the poll: Did they ask who Canadians would vote for given a choice between Bob Rae and Justin Trudeau or did they even bother to ask about any of the other candidates? i.e. if Marc Garneau were the leader, or Martha Hall-Findlay.
                Something of this smells of either very lazy polling or highly manipulative polling:

                Vote
                  10  
                • If he is talking about the forum polls, at least one of them did ask those questions…vs Rae, Garneau et al., In all cases JT # were a god deal better.

                  Vote
                    2  
                  • oops…good..Freudian slip eh :)

                    Vote
                      3  
                  • If that is true, it wasn’t mentioned in the NP article I read on the subject. The G&M story I only skimmed but it seemed to be trying to inject language into the article about JT that was designed to make us like him but not take him seriously. Then again, the G&M has become even more biased towards the CPC than even the NP.

                    Vote
                      2  
                • The poll that matters, is Can ”Justin” win the next election!
                  The answer is a resounding ”YES” and for the Liberal Party that should be paramount. Need to talk no more of PR or Consolidation. These are dead issues that have no future at the present time.
                  Time for our members to consolidate and join a winning team.

                  Vote
                    -3  
                • Very well put Patricia Xx…!

                  Vote
                    0  
            • what’s your inside info to the contrary?

              Vote
                0  
      • that’s a big ”if”. he is not his father, just like i am not my father (thank gawd…for him and for me). can we just not see him as a youthful buoyant unapolgetically liberal pro-canadian who, if he is able to read his base and learn from them, could possibly return trust and an enthusiasm to revive the LPC?

        Vote
          6  
        • @Peter Haley JT is not getting off to a very great start. He seems woefully misinformed about electoral reform. His is clinging to PV or Second-Past-the-Post which changes little.

          Proportional representation may be the LPC’s best hope of survival. Certainly, PR is the only thing that will restore democracy to the House of Commons. PR is…[Read more]

          Vote
            -5  
          • I think PR would be perfect: for an elected Senate. Sneate Reform is overdue, and the experiment wiith PR in countries like USA, Britain, France, Canada would benefit from this test. Although I am open to new concepts in electoral reform, I think it’s too radical for Canadians to consider for the next election, and too attackable by the Cons. …[Read more]

            Vote
              0  
            • A leader who has the mandate to negotiate a cooperation agreement would be open to all possibilities as opposed to one who has not been elected with such a mandate. I agree that LPC should have been open to options, not closing them.

              Vote
                1  
              • It certainly makes sense to prepare for cooperation. Stuart Parker’s analysis of Cullen’s proposal says that there is only upside to cooperation. Even it does not materialize, there is no downside.

                Only about 2% of voters belong to a political party. To make primaries more fair, the parties cooperating need to build up their memberships -…[Read more]

                Vote
                  1  
                • It’s a shame our LPC constitution (or the NDPs I believe) doesn’t support that kind of candidate selection – little glitch in the plan there I guess.

                  But let’s assume it did … now we have to fight pre-election primaries before the “real” elections? We have to spend some of our limited resources fighting with the those we supposed to be…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    3  
                  • Most constitutions consist of motherhood statements that are pretty broad to stand the test of time and different situations. The LPC constitution seems to be broader than most (i.e., more flexible).

                    This is the last thing that we need to worry about at this stage.

                    Vote
                      1  
                    • I am not an expert on our constitution but chapter 15 section 58 says: “Each EDA must hold a candidate selection meeting to select a candidate of the Party for
                      election to the House of Commons…”
                      It seems to me that this requirement could not be met under cooperation.

                      I believe @doug-brydges commented on the constitutionality of cooperation,…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        1  
                      • I get it. It’s not for you.

                        This article sums up the arguments against PR in a way that seems to be an appropriate response:

                        “…virtually every additional objection to PR, like those addressed here, is founded on the insulting theory that voters cannot handle the demands of making real choices. The typical winner-take-all advocate wants to…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          2  
                        • Well, that is an interesting article. I would find it more interesting if was against PR – but I am not. I have never once said that I oppose PR.

                          I oppose cooperation. The two things are not related. Why do the supporters of cooperation assume that they own the issue of electoral reform? I can be for ER and against cooperation. It’s quite a…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            1  
                        • How patronizing that article is. Smacks of ”cannot win with the facts, so let’s do the ”ad hominum”

                          Vote
                            -4  
                          • The article does a very detailed analysis of all of the objections to PR. It is the anti-PR side doing the ”ad hominum” – at least according to the article.

                            Vote
                              1  
                        • Actually the biggest reason I would support preferential balloting over proportional representation is that the former keeps the MP bound to his constituents, the latter binds him only to the party and public opinion polls. The chosen candidate in a PB scheme would at least have a broad consensus and mandate from the riding. Remember that the job…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            5  
                          • There is actually no reason we cannot look at a combination of PV and PR, and PR and can take many different forms in itself. This is one of my problems with this whole push by the cooperators group to make alliances with parties unlike us to put into effect … what? Was I sleeping when the LPC decided it supports pure PR?

                            I personally like…[Read more]

                            Vote
                              0  
                            • Hi Martin,

                              Unlike the CPC Joyce Murray supports environmental sustainability and the social justice goals enunciated in the new LPC Charter developed with grass roots input over 18 months. Indeed she was the lonl Leadership candidate to support the Charter in the Liberal Community. These goals are consistent with the broad goals of the Green…[Read more]

                              Vote
                                3  
                              • No votes are being “split”, Peter. To “split votes” is to assume that the votes are coming form the same like-minded people.

                                They are not. Just because we may agree on some policy does not translate to vote splitting.

                                I have no respect for the NDP in terms of its ability to manage the country and to create responsible fiscal policy and…[Read more]

                                Vote
                                  3  
                                • Hi Martin
                                  Lawrence Martin describes today’s New Democrats as “a temperate, middling lot perhaps better described as New Liberals.” (Are they new Liberals or New Democrats, Globe and Mail , January 22, 2013). He states that “While there are certainly policy differences (between the Liberals and the NDP) they are not nearly what they used to be.…[Read more]

                                  Vote
                                    6  
                                  • Well they haven’t come far enough for me. They still refer to socialism in their constitution, are anti-capitalism, believe in the principles of “social ownership”. This was all just reaffirmed at their last convention. Further the New Democratic Party Socialist Caucus is gaining strength and power since the last election.

                                    If these “New…[Read more]

                                    Vote
                                      -4  
                                    • Agree. NDP’s policy has nothing to do with their new realism, though, and as socialist as they talk (and I have nothing against socialism per se) they won’t follow through. a Wish List is just a wish list.

                                      Vote
                                        2  
                      • Thanks for repeating this clause @martin-showel – (Chapter 16, Section 65 actually) – I may have quoted it before but it does bear repeating.
                        … For whatever reason, some people just blindly dither on and on refusing to accept that the Party must operate according to its Constitution… without deviation.

                        Vote
                          4  
                      • Seriously? We can’t discuss possible changes in the constitution. You guys need to get off your high horses and start understanding what a grass roots movement is all about. Nothing is cast in stone and that includes the constitution. We can debate ideas and reject them if need be but to say that policy is off the table is not about what…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          0  
                        • Certainly we can discuss changes to the LPC constitution. Let’s do that! That would be a much better approach, in my opinion, than simply ignoring the fact that, currently, JMs plan for cooperation is not possible per our constitution – a fact that as far as I know she has not addressed (I may be wrong about that).

                          One of my many concerns with…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            0  
              • Regardless if the leader of the LPC is open to cooperation or not does not mean the NDP or Greens will stand down to allow only a Liberal candidate in a riding. This was suggested in Calgary Centre only to have the Green candidate personally attack the Liberal candidate.

                Albert Einstein said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing…[Read more]

                Vote
                  3  
                • hope you’re not suggesting we’re all crazy, as we try, try and try again :)

                  Vote
                    3  
                • Einstein’s saying would apply to not cooperating. This is what we were doing forever, except when keeping CPC in power as minority government. Accepting the option of cooperation would be something new.

                  Vote
                    3  
                • Emilie

                  There are 2 sides to every story. One side says that May approached the LPC about cooperating in Calgary and was rebuffed. So the GP fielded a candidate, raised money from supporters and ran an excellent campaign. Then, the LPC wanted to cooperate.

                  This is the first I have heard of any personal attacks although I have heard from at…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    1  
                  • QUOTE: Harvey Locke is stuck in the us-against-them environmentalism of the past. His whole career, he’s been single-mindedly dedicated to conservation. He’s been at it too long to start new conversations, and planning for our
                    sustainable energy future is way outside his area of expertise. I don’t think the voters of Calgary Centre want to throw…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      -1  
                    • BTW – Locke lived in Banff, an hour and a half west of Calgary but moved to Calgary Centre during the campaign.

                      Vote
                        1  
                    • Sounds like campaign talk to me …it’s too bad that both the Liberals and GP got locked out ..they both ran a great campaign ..next time, let’s put two great candidates in different ridings instead of in the same one.

                      The GP has shown it is competitive. In this race, they challenged both the Cons and LPC head-on and made a respectable…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        1  
                • A point to remember about the NDP is that this is the same party that essentially worked with Harper to bring down a Liberal government that would have instituted national daycare and the Kelowna accord – affordable daycare and peace with the First Nations are staple NDP policy planks and they helped get a government that was the antithesis of…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    1  
                  • An excellent point, William. The NDP are not our friends. They stand to gain as much, if not more, from the demise of the LPC. They cannot be trusted. There is little doubt in my mind that if the LPC adopts a strategy of cooperation, the NDP will work right along with the CPC to make us look foolish, weak and defeated. That is what is in their…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      -2  
            • I don’t agree with PR just for the sake of putting mps in the House who were not elected but their party got 2% of the vote. This to me is undemocratic.

              If for example the Communist party got 2% of the vote and did not elect any mps in any ridings, then too bad for that party. They should not be awarded 6-7 seats in the House.

              Vote
                -1  
              • i think it would be an unworkable mess in the commons, but could be considered for the senate. that’s progrssive reform at its best.

                Vote
                  0  
                • Funny how well PR works in other countries.

                  Vote
                    2  
                  • scandinavian, smaller, countries primarily. it’s not so funny in italy.

                    Vote
                      4  
                  • Thats argueable. many counrties have problesm (Israel, latvia, Belgium for example). They have many many more parties (Israel over 30!). Beguim couldn’t figure out how to form a governemnt for 4 years after the 2007 election (Wiseman, Contemporary Politcal Issues).
                    The counrties that also have PR are much smaller demographically. The logistics…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      0  
                    • No electoral system is perfect. The electoral system is a key component in democracy but not the only one – it is needs to be supported by fair and balanced justice systems, effective legal enforcement; transparent public institutions; social participation, history, etc.

                      PR is not a particular electoral system. It is an objective which can…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        7  
                  • But check out the make-up of those countries. Do they really compare to here?

                    Vote
                      -1  
                    • Which countries are you were to referring to, in particular? What exactly is there about those countries, and in Canada, that makes you think that PR is incompatible here? What is your opinion based upon?

                      Sounds like a basis for an entire thesis.

                      Patricia, I am no specialist in political science. But I can see that FPTP is definitely not…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        5  
                      • Thanks for that, Patricia. I appreciate your approval.

                        Maybe you need to take a breather. Even I, a kind and lovely person, find your nagging and lack of apparent respect for other opinions difficult.

                        No one needs to take a concrete position on electoral reform at the present time, and no one needs to be berated for not agreeing. I know about…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          0  
                        • I expect you are right. I am sorry if I offended you. There is a great deal of misinformation on electoral reform. I have tried to provide people with other sources of information and another perspective. I think those that are interested in the topic find it helpful.

                          I believe that the issue is topical because it is one of he few defining…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            4  
              • Emilie, Since you say you know all about PR systems, you should also know that most systems put a minimum amount of popular vote before they get a seat. For example, NZ has a mixed system. They use FPTP to elect MPs in the normal way. Then they use list seats to adjust for the popular vote. A party must either get 5% of the popular vote or…[Read more]

                Vote
                  1  
              • In a PR system, who would the new MP’s (ie in the above example, the Communist party) be accountable to? Certainly not any particular riding. That is the main problem with PR. If there were a way to work out who is accountable to whom, then sure, let’s look at it.

                Vote
                  0  
                • Accountable to the voters – wouldn’t that be nice for a change?

                  Vote
                    2  
                  • Which voters? All and sundry? That actually translates into nobody. PR is very easy to play.

                    Vote
                      -3  
                    • I heard Wayne Smith of Fair Vote speak last night and he put a different light on this than I had heard before. I will try and explain it as Wayne did.

                      Let’s take any riding which has 4 candidates standing for election as MP. Under FPTP, which ever one gets the most votes becomes the MP. If Candidate A gets 40% of the vote and the remaining 3…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        5  
              • Lost somewhere:
                In FPTP
                1-the party winning 51% of ridigs gets a majority government, the other ridings would not count
                2- assuming uniform distribution of current popular vote in the country ,say 90% pretty equally split between CPC, LPC and NDP, and 10 say GPC, reflected in all ridings; the party getting 32% of votes wins a riding
                3-The result:…[Read more]

                Vote
                  1  
                • Oh dear and where is the unlucky riding that gets an MP forced on them, which they did not elect and do not want? Not to mention what principals parties have to give up in order to form government :P

                  Vote
                    0  
                  • In a PR system as the one used in Germany ones’ riding MP will be elected by the riding voters. Therefore the riding always would be represented by MP supported by its constituents.
                    All four ’major’ parties have good intentions regarding Canada. I think that any coalition or minority government will be based on sufficient common ground to serve…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      -1  
                    • So then why change to something that gets you the same results? And no coalitions or minority governments means that SOMEONE has to give up on something, policies, principles or head into another election.

                      PR is not the dream that will end the consequences of FPTP as PR will bring it’s own problems which may be worse.

                      Vote
                        1  
              • Interesting reading about PR history in US: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/polit/damy/articles/kolesar.htm

                Vote
                  0  
                • Thank-you so much for this excellent article, George. It shows clearly how electoral systems are manipulated in order to deny representation and accountability.

                  It is no coincidence that PR gained favour in the era of Roosevelt’s New Deal and then has been studiously attacked ever since. It does not mention McCarthyism but the attackers of PR…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    1  
                • I heard Wayne Smith of Fair Vote speak last night. He mentioned that the electoral system needed neither constitutional amendment nor referendum to be changed. Such a change could indeed be hidden in a omnibus bill!

                  Wayne then noted that three Canadian provinces had PR electoral systems in the first half of the 20th century. The governments of…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    0  
              • Hi Emile,

                Most proposals for electoral reform that are aimed at a more proportional representation incorporate a threshold of between 3% and 5% of the popular vote. This eliminates independents and small parties. I think the Law Commission of Canada recommended mixed member proportional representation system included a threshold but am not…[Read more]

                Vote
                  2  
            • It’s just come to light to me (I guess I live in perpetual darkness) that the Australian Senate has been elected and PR for some time. They had also considered abolishing, but this body, although it cannot introduce money bills, represents the otherwise disenfranchised such as aboriginal groups and marginalized parties and seems to work as a…[Read more]

              Vote
                2  
            • To Peter Haley (2 days and 2 hours ago) – small countries with relatively homogeneous populations really can’t be compared to Canada – a `new’ country with very mixed cultural population.

              Vote
                -3  
              • i agree with you, and that’s a problem with PR. Norway is a prime example: largely homogeneous, with a fascist faction that led to a horrific slaughter to try to keep it that way. They have 21, including the “beer unity”, partes. it has taken a coaltion among the Labour Party, Socialist Left Party, and Centre Party to form a government…[Read more]

                Vote
                  1  
                • To me the prime example is Germany – probably the most successful modern democracy, which is a federation, like Canada, and have a mixed proportional representation. Really, folks – how can you keep insisting on an oldest and most primitive electoral system which is in use by only a few countries, when the vast majority of Western democracies…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    3  
                  • well, in the first place, germany is a republic. and secondly, half of their elected representatives are fptp. and thirdly, the ”few countries” include such tiny primitive democracies such as the usa, france, britain and canada. i’m not saying it’s the best system, but i think you should be clear in what you’re preaching.

                    Vote
                      1  
                    • The last thing I want us to go the USA way, with their extreme polarization, everything either black or white. Also, both France and USA have directly elected (meaning – PR) president, who has a lot of power. UK has an actual monarch – a figurehead for sure, but not a joke like our GG. That leaves us as an almost unique state where 100% of the…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        3  
                      • i brought up those four countries because they are among the most stable democracies in the world. we’re not the usa or france, both republics, and we don’t have a senate that can gridlock even a directly elected president and house and we’re not unique at all, other than the fact that we’re stable. i’m not opposed to change, it’s only…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          0  
                        • Stable? Canada has had more elections in the past 20 years than most countries with PR.

                          When we change government, the new one spends 2 years undoing what the last one did before actually moving forward. We are on a huge seesaw.

                          Cuba is stable too. Dictatorships tend to be like that. Maybe you missed the police carting off dissidents to jail…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            1  
                          • stable in that the countries i listed are democracies, not autocracies. there’s no threat to overthrows or coups, although i suppose we have a party in power that’s acting like it’s happened.

                            Vote
                              3  
          • Thanks for your earlier posts, you’ve given something to think about. I’m not convinced about co-op but I will look into it more for sure.
            Electoral reform is something i’m sure most Libs will agree on, but I don’t support PR. A couple days ago I mentioned the logistical problem with PR due to our geography and current house size. Would we…[Read more]

            Vote
              1  
            • Thanks for your questions, Margret.

              JM’s focus on cooperation is to implement PR. There is no point in getting rid of Harper if the system which allows anyone to get 100% control of the government without majority support remains in place. PR offers many other benefits as well which will either fix or improve other elements in our democracy…[Read more]

              Vote
                1  
            • Under a mixed member proportional system the number of ridings can be increased or the size of the ridings can be increased. From the point of view of policy it matters little about who is on the list or how they are chosen because under party discipline they weill be required to vote the partly leadership policy. Many MPs in the Samara Canada…[Read more]

              Vote
                1  
              • Peter, I would hope that party discipline would be vastly reduced under PR. If MMP does not do that, then I would prefer to look at STV.

                Vote
                  -2  
                • I cannot see why the logic of party discipline would be reduced under MMP. However there would be more negotiations between parties on policy issues because it would be less likely that one party would have a majority of seats in the House. For a hypotheical example an agreement between Conservatives with 40% of the seats and Liberals with 19%…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    3  
                  • If there are multiple MPs in each riding, that would weaken party discipline because of the vastly increased competition within the riding – including competition between candidates of the same party.

                    Also, if there are separate votes for the party and for the MP, that would put pressure on the MP to develop an identity quite separate from…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      1  
          • And, they’ll only be right if they do what you say is right, right?

            Vote
              -1  
      • My generation was crazy about Pierre Elliot Trudeau – PET for short. His son Justin is quite unlike his father but no less relevant to this generation and mine too – his abbr – name JET is a good one too.

        Vote
          0  
    • yaba daba do.
      great

      Vote
        1  
    • National Pres. Mike Crawley tweeted this morning that a surge of supporter sign-ups last night exceeded expectations and it will take a couple of days to “scrub” the list (verify sign-ups) … expects to have firm numbers by mid-week. https://twitter.com/_Mike_Crawley/status/308636578694193152

      There may well be a lot of current members who were…[Read more]

      Vote
        2  
      • i thought we had sorted this out. You may register as a supporter of a candidate even if you are already a member. That’s been my understanding. i’ve been getting regular emails from JT’s team for a while now.

        Vote
          2  
    • If delivering victory to the LPC is the only qualification for leadership, Justin may have the upper hand. The final count is not in yet. But if delivering representative, accountable government to Canada makes a good leader, Justin has clearly stated he prefers the status quo – one for the few definitive statements he has made, by the way. …[Read more]

      Vote
        -2  
      • That is unfortunate, because Justin has shown that he can deliver the votes. The status quo that you mention does not mean Harper philosophy and that is something that this country needs to rid themselves of.

        Vote
          0  
        • Well said John! I absolutely agree with you that Mr. Trudeau can deliver the votes! Frankly I feel that he is the one who really scares the Conservatives which sets the stage for an interesting next three years!!!! I loved how Ms. Martha Hall Findlay gave him something of a painless vaccination in debate number 3! The backlash against her by…[Read more]

          Vote
            0  
          • I’m not sure I see your point. The hysteria that MHF’s perfectly justified comment was met with was pretty juvenile. `Don’t mean to the kid!’

            If you think he’s not fresh meat for Harper and Co, you are not facing reality. He’s a dream come true for them.

            Vote
              2  
      • It is simply not true that Trudeau supports the “status quo”.

        Trudeau has said he supports electoral reform, and prefers the preferential ballot over proportional representation.

        The preferential ballot is also known as “instant runoff” since if a candidate doesn’t get over 50% of the first ballot, it goes to people’s second choices.…[Read more]

        Vote
          2  
        • As I have mentioned quite a few times in these blogs, PV is just a twist on FPTP as usually changes little. Here are the comments just made to Margret (I know how hard it is to follow these blogs, so I will repeat as I kept a copy):

          Preferential voting is just a twist on the existing FPTP. It is still a plurality system that can result in…[Read more]

          Vote
            2  
        • isn’t the preferential ballot used solely to choose leaders of parties? good idea, but hardly a radical electoral reform.

          Vote
            3  
          • I will start by saying that the Bloc is not uniformly socialist. When it was first formed, it consisted mostly of PC MPs defecting from Mulroney.

            The preferential ballot is also used for selecting candidates for MP by parties.

            It is true, it is the favoured method for picking single candidates.

            But that is the basis for our parliamentary…[Read more]

            Vote
              -1  
            • there seems to be some appetite for it, as many people are fed up with the results and the muzzles applied to governing mps. depends what you mean by radical, not talking revolution here, yet ;)

              Vote
                4  
            • Regarding PR resulting in MPs not accountable to specific ridings I offer two approaches:
              1-Maybe it is the time to move on from seeing Canada as a collection of small communities sending each a delegate to a distant and place where s/he is to fight to the death for its constituency (which in fact may be only 33% of local voters). Maybe we should…[Read more]

              Vote
                1  
              • The local issues are to be debated / resolved through provincial / municipal elections.

                Vote
                  1  
              • Thanks for this reference, George. At the bottom of the wiki, there are links to various ”how to set up electoral systems” manuals and their supporting organizations.

                Here we are fighting to bring democracy to other nations. We tell them to set up PR electoral systems. And then we deny the same democracy to ourselves. What hypocrites we are!

                Vote
                  1  
                • Seems to me that PR, like appointments in a way, just puts people in a position ti wheel and deal to push ideas that they can’t convince voters to support. PB gives me the chance to support people according to how acceptable their ideas are to me, even if I can’t have everything my way..

                  Vote
                    0  
                  • Historians have recently highlighted Winston Churchill’s warning against the Alternative Vote. He said it would mean elections being determined by “the most worthless votes given for the most worthless candidates.”

                    The whole speech is well worth reading. He is supportive of electoral reform but he says the proposed change to AV “adds new…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      1  
                    • Great man Churchill. But he really got it wrong from time to time – he thought Gandhi an utter fraud for instance.

                      If he said that about AV, i shudder to think what he thought of PR.

                      Vote
                        3  
                      • Although I could not find a direct quote by Churchill on PR, I believe that he would have favoured it based upon what I did find. Churchill is seen as a highly regarded spokesperson for parliamentary democracy.

                        Churchill said of first-past-the-post:

                        The present system has clearly broken down. The results produced are not fair to any party,…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          0  
    • The LPC has not disclosed how many supporters the other candidates have brought in. Nor does one know how many supporters have signed up on the LPC website who have not declared support for a particular candidate. Is the LPC managing the news to provide an edge for Justin?

      Vote
        -8  
      • I will be interested in the membership number.

        Vote
          9  
      • The only 51% means that he won. No one else even came close.

        Vote
          4  
        • I hope registered voters will think hard and chose based on facts – as plans, track records and personal achievements, rather than on enthusiastic speeches good for a student council president candidate.

          Vote
            -2  
          • i think people vote from the heart, not so much the mind. even so, pt appeals to both, i think you’re just too biased to admit it. there are 3 candidates that fit both, i feel. and without ”enthusiasm” in 2015, the LPC could be gone.

            Vote
              5  
            • Yes, I see JT being a very good campaigner for LPC’s fresh priorities as defined by JM.

              Vote
                0  
              • and you see puppies and rainbows too. jt may adopt some of jm’s ideas when he is leader, for sure. THE MAIN QUESTION I HAVE FOR EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO SAY JM OR THE HIGHWAY, IS WILL YOU ABANDON THE LPC OR UNITE BEHIND ITS ELECTED LEADER TO DEFEAT HARPER?

                Vote
                  2  
                • I’ll vote for the candidate best placed to get my riding from CPC’s hands. I hope that that is an LPCer. But NDP or GPC suits me too for that purpose. For me the ’enemy’ is on the right, not on the left.

                  Vote
                    1  
    • Hi Patricia,
      As the national president said yesterday, there was a significant last minute surge because everybody was announcing the sign up deadline. We now have to comb the list to remove duplicates, fake names, current members who also signed up as supporters, etc. We are taking great care to ensure the legitimacy of those eligible to be on…[Read more]

      Vote
        14  
    • Justin has not convinced everyone. He only has 51% of the total ..and Joyce has the momentum.

      Vote
        -6  
      • If the perception becomes that it is Joyce, not Marc, who are running second to Justin, anti-Justin vote can start coalescing towards Joyce. That could potentially put her within striking distance from Justin. As she is one of the least confrontational candidates (definitely less than Mark or Martha), she might become #2 choice for many voters, so…[Read more]

        Vote
          1  
        • I like your analysis :-)

          Vote
            0  
        • Interesting…i have nothing against JM. But i would hardly call her unconfrontational [ i know you didn't say that]
          She gets her digs in pretty well in an understated way. She’s smarter than Martha about nakedly going for the juggler though.

          Vote
            7  
        • Being that it is a one time preferential vote. There is no need for people to go to JM to vote JT down. You guys seem to forget many people don’t share your views in co-operation. Because of that JM may be placed lower on the ballot then JT. Plus all of it is weighted by riding.

          Vote
            1  
          • If JT does win, I’d be willing to wager that he will be talking PR and cooperation within a year. He has little choice. Hope he does not leave it too long. Harper will be itching to call an election before the new leader gets on their feet.

            Vote
              -1  
            • The main argument used by CPC and LPC purists was that the LPC leadership did not have the electorate mandate to enter a cooperation agreement. JT would be exposed even more as he would have a mandate to reject cooperation. Anyway, for me JT is at the bottom of the list as the least qualified of all.

              Vote
                0  
              • Thanks for pointing that out, George. Now I will have to work even harder to get JM elected if JT is unlikely to change gears. ;-)

                Vote
                  1  
              • Ok, George, What is the counter-argument? I am pretty non-partisan so that just this type of argument does not register with me.

                The Cons seem to have overcome their objections with the vote-pooling schemes of the early 2000s. Although the PCs do say that their party was stolen from by Harper.

                Vote
                  1  
                • I was referring to the CPC propaganda following the LPC/NDP (aborted) coalition after which some LPC-ers became so allergic to cooperation. A late thought conversion to cooperation of other leader than JM would expose LPC to same ‘lack of mandate’ weakness even if not justified. We are painting ourselves in a corner by making the exclusion of…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    1  
              • The PM is the person that gains the confidence of the House of Commons.

                Campaigning on a coalition government is not realistic. The argument that it is not democratic because you did not campaign on it is nonsense. The PM needs the majority of the house to vote in favour on votes of confidence.

                If we can not get past this simple premise, PR is…[Read more]

                Vote
                  -1  
                • We already fell for it once. At least that’s what the people ‘listeners’ told us. The propaganda against PR is also fierce and a lot of untrue assertions about it are made on this site. The bottom line is that PR would not deliver LPC majority governments for a long time if ever. We’d probably around approx. 33% of vote and able to chose…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    1  
                  • George;

                    I am having a problem interpreting the perceived legitimacy of a Government.

                    To me ”cooperation” and PR are two opposite ways to form a government. How can I justify the legitimacy of both to the same people?

                    Vote
                      2  
                    • We need cooperation now to get a government willing to implement a PR system. If implemented, the PR system would produce a parliament with seats split, say, 303/30/30/10%. Therefore, to have a functional government in PR system at least two 30% range parties need to cooperate. I do not see any contradiction or legitimacy problem.

                      Vote
                        0  
                      • 30/30/30/10% typo. I am bad this morning.

                        Vote
                          0  
                      • The way I understand cooperation is we do not run in some ridings and in return others do not run in ours.

                        This can result a coalition majority government with each party combined has the proportional representation less than an other party. This has been the case in the past under MacKenzie-King.

                        However the premise of PR is FPTP is not…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          1  
                        • If i read you right, it is almost as if my winning through cooperation we would be saying to the cons[ and the country]…’See, this is how unfair the system is. If we opposition parties all agree to bury our distinct differences [ which regularly results in not forming the winning coalition at the polls] and form a cooperative block dedicated to…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            1  
                          • I can support electoral reform if I can identify my elected representative. But selling two totally different processes at the same time will leave us open for attack from two founts at once.

                            We can be attacked on the cooperation front and on the PR front at the same time.

                            When our answers are compared it will make us look unfocused at best.…[Read more]

                            Vote
                              3  
                          • FPP system is more evidently exposed to being ‘abused’ when one has more than two significant parties. As posted elsewhere, in this configuration one party may secure a majority government concentrating on winning 51% of ridings and not spending a dollar on gaining others. In this way that party may have the majority government with as low as…[Read more]

                            Vote
                              -2  
                        • PR is an electoral system which, simply speaking, distributes the parliament seats proportional with the popular vote per entire country. There are flavors of PR which provide for direct representation of each riding. The cooperation is an agreement between parties, a political tool, which may be used at any time and within any kind of electoral…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            -1  
                          • George, I believe this can be a valid perspective of a reasonable person.

                            Let me do a mock election for demonstration purposes. Assume their are a total of 5 seats available with 100 votes cast in each riding.

                            Democratic election results (the will of the people)

                            Riding 1

                            Conservative vote 55
                            Green Party 45

                            Riding 2

                            Conservative vote…[Read more]

                            Vote
                              0  
                            • Nice idea of this mock election. Your example have both measurements done on a 50% plus criteria and it looks like a US presidential election issue (GWB vs Gore) The significance of the comparison would be marginal for FPP / PR debate. To be more spectacular let’s assume that the outcome per riding in FPP is the same and totals per country is the…[Read more]

                              Vote
                                -1  
                              • Yes George, the will of the people has many different perspectives that all have advantages and disadvantages. I have a very open mind what is the best way and try to listen to the debate.

                                What I cannot do is pick two systems at the same time when the selected will of the people has two different results.

                                This is the discussing that I can see…[Read more]

                                Vote
                                  2  
                                • Sorry I fail to see any conflict between the tool called cooperation to be used in an FPP environment and a PR system which is a different way of distributing parliamentary seats than FPP. Te bottom line is which system is better: the one which may leave as many as 67-83% of voters unhappy with an FPP majority government or max 49% unhappy with a…[Read more]

                                  Vote
                                    -2  
                                  • It seems to me that you are defining a happy voter as someone that votes for the MP that belongs to the same party that forms government. This I think is a little shallow.

                                    You seem to be extending this one stretch further. A happy voter is someone that voted for a MP that forms a coalition government.

                                    I suggest a happy voter is someone that is…[Read more]

                                    Vote
                                      3  
                                    • I vote because I want my opinion to have an effect on government not to manifest myself. I can manifest myself by discussing stuff with friends. Voting as a citizen makes me responsible for the outcome. When one sees that over 60% of popular vote is not represented in government one should think that something is not quite right and should look…[Read more]

                                      Vote
                                        -2  
                                      • There are many ways to have a democratic election. All have their benefits and disadvantages.

                                        What is bothering me the most about this discussion is the concept of a PR election. This has the potential to make PR partisan along party lines. It makes me step way back and think a lot, I do not support a PR election.

                                        Major changes to the…[Read more]

                                        Vote
                                          2  
                                        • The issue these days is not to implement a PR system and/or to start negotiating cooperation This leadership election is about selecting a leader who is mandated to do these things if the conditions will be favorable or one who is mandated not to. Aside other particular policy coherence and political stamina, I feel that cooperation and PR mandate…[Read more]

                                          Vote
                                            -2  
                              • yes, but there won’t be PR before PC, and even then it depends entirely who gets elected through PC.

                                Vote
                                  5  
            • It seems to me he has already made that choice and it’s PB, of course he may see the light (your light) in time.

              Vote
                0  
      • only 51% out of 8 candidates is some how bad!

        Vote
          3  
        • It is a start, I will admit. The number may be inflated ..at least a lit bit. I’ve received a number of emails from Justin asking me to register to vote. Not sure how he got my name.

          The campaign is not yet over.

          Vote
            -1  
        • And, at what percent is the next nearest candidate.and how many supporters of the lowest two or three would choose JT for their second choice (51%)?

          Vote
            1  
      • My vote will not change, because I like to be on a winning team, just like when in the next Federal election, I will be again voting for Justin.

        Vote
          -3  
      • Signing in as supporter is not the same as voting. Hope that when the time comes to vote most will realize that the best for Canada and LPC is JM.

        Vote
          -1  
    • ONLY???? seriously? there are 7 other candidates and he has more than all of them combined. Only. ffft.

      Vote
        5  
      • Yes Kristen, over 50% of the votes with no clear choice of a distant second even.
        This campaign is over, and now it will be on to confirm our new leader as PM of Canada.
        From what we have seen so far, Trudeau has that ability to connect with the electorate and should have no problem in defeating the Conservatives, so PR will also become a…[Read more]

        Vote
          -3  
    • they all got the same membership lists at the beginning, regardless of who signed up as a supporter for whom. the onus was on us to opt out of communications we didn’t want to receive.

      Vote
        2  
      • I truly don’t understand how we as LIberals can vote for Justin Trudeau. Winning is important, but sustainability long term is even more important. Thin policy and thinner resume. He isn’t party leadership material. When he stops treating making policy decisions like American Idol, he’ll get a second look from me.

        Vote
          2  
        • Sorry Eric,
          I tend to disagree with you, but I do hope you stay with the Liberal Party and join the majority in voting Justin into the PM`s office.

          Vote
            1  
          • John, I won’t go anywhere. Perhaps I’m too much of a policy wonk. I myself, prefer my leaders to stand for something, besides soundbites. He’s made some terrible gaffes and his inexperience shows. As a Liberal, I want to win, but I believe that the party must be sustainable going forward.

            Vote
              8  
            • Here’s a reality check for all: the author supports Marc Garneau and I’m supporting Joyce Murray but the article does demonstrate what’s to come if we elect Justin. http://www.therecord.com/opinion/columns/article/896248–liberals-need-to-be-cautious-in-picking-their-messiah

              Vote
                2  
              • I’ve been saying this from the jump. He hasn’t done anything. Beating the the Bloc in a Liberal riding? He hurts my head. He couldn’t hold a senior cabinet position, much less be Prime Minister.

                Vote
                  0  
                • It concerns me that the media are very keen that JT win if the coverage is anything to go by. He represents good future content, whether for his own sake or as a target for CPC or NDP.
                  The press pretty well gave the CPC the last election by whining about their quota of 5 questions but neglecting, by and large, the real issue – historic ruling of…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    6  
                  • Maybe the media like Harper because our candidate/leader couldn’t connect with them, let alone the voters. You seem to say it’s a bad thing for the media to like and connect with our leader.

                    Vote
                      0  
                    • But the media didn’t like Harper. They complained non-stop. What they liked was the easy story.

                      Whether Ignatieff could have connected with voters if he had had the same coverage will remain a mystery.

                      Vote
                        1  
                      • I think a key is coverage and name recognition. When Harper was attacked by the media his message was simple. The media is bias and out to get him.

                        This motivated his supporters, that still discount all negative publicity.

                        Partisan politics, personal slurs, or propaganda call it what you want. What is common about them is people stop listening…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          1  
              • I am not supporting Justin and am supporting Joyce Murray as well, but as usual I don’t entirely agree with D’Amato. It is very true that JT lacks experience, but I believe he is extremely politically astute. The very things that she highlighted as a weakness, I always thought were brilliant moves on his part to do what he needed at the time. …[Read more]

                Vote
                  7  
                • Thank you for a positive post. I know how hard you work for both the Liberal party and for electoral reform. As much as we don’t necessarily see eye to eye on this, you have never shoved your opinion on me or belittled mine.

                  All the candidates have qualities I admire and some that I just detest. I’m beginning to think that maybe we should have…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    8  
                  • I actually agree. We should have found an honourable way to let him run. In all pobablity it would have been a 2 or 3 way race [depending on if BR favoured cooperation] and we would have seen JT really tested and also seen if BR’s baggage from his premier days really was going to weigh him down. It would have been an awesome contest. Our…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      6  
                • Hi Jennifer;

                  Megan Leslie (unfortunately not a Liberal but a very good MP) asked Peter Kent about Kyoto. She is hardly a damsel in distress, someone that hopefully will continue to serve her country.

                  I was watching CPAC and heard the outburst of displeasure. The “P of S” comment was not audible to me. I thought that it was inappropriate that…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    0  
                • Hi Jennifer,

                  Your very interesting comment raises the issue of just what are the criteria for a good leader of the LPC. I start with the assumption that large majority of the public are not interested in policy. Rather they are interested in “character” and “style”. Mansbridges insiders a few months ago identified vision, intelligence and…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    2  
        • I agree with you Eric. It is a mystery how some may prefer JT. Because you referred to the American Idol. They had at one point a terrible competitor, Sanjey (?) who get through incredible number of sessions with sufficient votes before being eliminated. Maybe we are facing a similar obsession for an evidently unqualified competitor. However,…[Read more]

          Vote
            -1  
          • I don’t want my leader to play it safe. I agree with you wholeheartedly George. As an Ontarian living in Alberta for the past few months carrying the Liberal banner, when I hear JT say things like Alberta’s the reason for Canada’s economic woes, or that female genital mutilation isn’t barbaric and then has to back peddle and issue press…[Read more]

            Vote
              2  
            • You might at least get your facts straight. Gaffes they may have been – have you ever looked at gaffes that Harper or Chretien made as opposition leaders at similar points of their political careers…they were disasters quite frequently. The LPC almost ditched Chretien, many cons wondered about Harper.
              The barbaric remark was ill advised but…[Read more]

              Vote
                0  
              • I don’t know what facts I got wrong, but I do take your point. The difference between Chretien, Harper and Trudeau is that I can point to bona fides and gravitas when it comes to Harper and Chretien. Harper and Chretien made their gaffes as PMs or senior members of their party. Trudeau made (and continues to make his) as a fairly new MP. I’m a…[Read more]

                Vote
                  2  
                • Well maybe more interpretation of facts than any thing. I agree the comments about ABs and the barbaric nuancing were mistakes. However I don’t a agree with the speech he gave to the Islamic conference. The speech itself was very good – not mushy, and his reasons for going there and defying the CPC’s… don’t encourage the terrorist rhetoric,…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    1  
                  • As leader he should be above the fray, or at least seek to. I don’t expect perfection from a leader, just a semblance of good judgment. Unfortunately, JT doesn’t have much a history. He should know better than collecting funds while on the job. The perception just isn’t right. We should all just come to terms with the fact that JT will likely…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      2  
                    • Fact, JT is a puppet?

                      This is the least of my concerns. Integrity is what I believe is his strongest character trait.

                      How do you support this statement?

                      Vote
                        2  
                      • John, I do believe that JT will be a puppet. Think about this objectively: He has thin policy, thinner career experience and no track record we can use to see what his judgment is like. Where we can point to his judgment, it’s been terrible (again, sharing the stage with Islamists, collecting speaking fees, noting that female genital mutilation…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          0  
                        • If he is a puppet, who is holding the strings?

                          I do not believe that there is anyone that can pressure him to change his position for personal gain. He has been very clear that his motivation is to make Canada a better place.

                          My reasoning;

                          He is not in politics for financial gain because he would make more money on the speaking circuit.

                          He is…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            4  
                          • Puppet or not the question of his readiness to be a leader of a Canadian party or government does not beg any answer.

                            Vote
                              2  
                            • Hi George;

                              What makes you use the term puppet, and what qualities do you expect in a leader?

                              Vote
                                4  
                              • What I was saying is that I do not know if he is or not, or will be or not a puppet. What is important for me is that based on his political credentials he should not have been short listed for the interview. I am puzzled by this peculiar form of projected nepotism.

                                Vote
                                  -1  
                                • I can agree that I do not wish to vote for a puppet. In my opinion, this is not a good quality in a leader.

                                  What ”political credentials” do you wish a leader to have?

                                  Vote
                                    2  
                          • Exactly John. Absolutely right. Where is this mysterious leverage that will cause JT to be someone’s puppet? Just like his dad, the guy could be lolling on a beach somewhere, having a toke or four, maybe a cool one? Really, this argument that he is somehow feckless when he has clearly come from good stock that values olf fashioned virtues like…[Read more]

                            Vote
                              1  
                            • It isn’t about some secret hidden in the shadows, Ken and John. It’s about his obvious lack of experience. Any other candidate with his experience would be laughed away from this leadership race. Could you name a senior cabinet position that he can hold where he would be a credible leader? I’m hard pressed to find one. Justin’s father paid his…[Read more]

                              Vote
                                1  
                              • If you value experience as the defining trait of a leader, I can see your point. However each person has their own preferences.

                                I do not have my mind made up, I am looking for someone that I can trust.

                                If I base my leader preference only on experience, it would lead me to Stephan Harper. I choose not to support him.

                                Can you state what you…[Read more]

                                Vote
                                  -1  
                                • Leader’s have usually led. A business, a non-profit, a community organization, etc. Being charismatic is not a leadership quality. I’m looking for a person that is bold in their policy and leads from the front, not from a ‘Soapbox’. A person who looks to change the status quo, who can bring people from all parts of the country together. I look…[Read more]

                                  Vote
                                    0  
                                  • I am surprised by your explanation of leadership and the choices you made.

                                    It seems to me that your described Karen McCrimmon then did not list her as a top three pick. With so many good people running I am also having difficulty deciding.

                                    Thank you for your reply.

                                    Vote
                                      4  
                                  • I agree, Eric. MHF, for example, is demonstrably the most widely-experienced candidate but no one discusses her here. She also has guts. It’s a shame that she felt pressured to apologise to JT because she was correct in her assertion. Are Libs smacking her for honesty and passion?
                                    MG impresses but he is too conservative socially for me and he…[Read more]

                                    Vote
                                      2  
                              • Now you’ve moved your goal post from the puppet to an inexperienced democrat. :)

                                No harm done, but people will lift any rock they can find and hurl it at a political candidate they have made up their mind to either dislike or not support…we all do it to some extent or another.

                                On inexperience i think JT is on very thin ice. The way i like to…[Read more]

                                Vote
                                  5  
                                • I could’ve probably been more succinct – I think he’ll be a puppet BECAUSE of his lack of experience. Re your conspiracy theories, it’s likely a combination of all three.

                                  As much as I think Harper has been a poor PM, inexperienced before the post, he was not. He was an MP from 1993-1997, was leader of the Canadian Alliance, was chief aide to…[Read more]

                                  Vote
                                    2  
                                  • RE: Harper. You’re making the same kind of error Harper’s supporter’s tend to – listing accomplishments that came after he was 40 or so…JT’s age.

                                    Harper became an mp at around 34, JT at about 36. Harper didn’t become leader of the new party until he was about 45. All his previous experience was as a policy wonk or NCC guy. Almost…[Read more]

                                    Vote
                                      3  
                                    • I’m really not. Harper ran for leader and PM only after he had the experience. Trudeau, much more impatient.

                                      Vote
                                        2  
                                      • You must admit Harper’s leadership experience was only with the NCC.

                                        The NCC holds no annual general membership meetings and provides no financial statements to its members. The organization’s constitution distinguishes between ’voting’ and ’public’ members. Public members pay dues but do not have formal mechanisms for influencing the…[Read more]

                                        Vote
                                          3  
                                        • The fact that you can point to leadership experience, proves my point.

                                          As for my becoming overly partisan, far from it. I don’t have blind allegiance to the party. However, I’m a firm, unapologetic believer in the party and will be so until the Party is no more or an option more in line with my beliefs is presented. I for one, do not take…[Read more]

                                          Vote
                                            2  
                                          • When I suggested you may be becoming overly partisan, I was referring not to the party but to your unwavering criticism of a leadership candidate in the party.

                                            Vote
                                              0  
                                        • That actually explains a lot about Harper. Inexperienced in almost anything, he had only the NCC’s non-democratic model to follow and appears to not have the ability or ambition to look for a better model, although the NCC is convenient. (Why would anyone bother with them? Seems an odd org.)

                                          Vote
                                            3  
                                      • pt was actualy quoted as saying he was considering the following election, not this one, and was actually coerced by the LPC backroom boys and girls. he has plenty of time to listen, grow, and gain experience.

                                        Vote
                                          1  
                            • `Comes from good stock’?

                              Colour me speechless.

                              Vote
                                1  
                • The east/west divide? That fight is between The Conservatives and NDP.

                  I say let them stake their ground and we should consider the country as a whole when we adopt policy.

                  Deborah Coyne seems to have a good message about a united federation.

                  Vote
                    1  
                  • The East/West divide has been exacerbated by all parties. Liberals are no different. It’s those policies that have alienated the West. Deborah Coyne isn’t for me, although her message is encouraging.

                    Vote
                      0  
                    • You have recently mention that you moved to Alberta from the east. I can personally relate to this because I have lived in Alberta two times during my life. I live in Ontario at the present time and am considering moving to northern Alberta.

                      What kind of policies do you think will help unite the country?

                      Vote
                        1  
                      • The policies to Unite Canada are already taking place. Negative policies from Harper & the Conservative Party have reached a limit where the people of Canada will vote them out.
                        This once again will help our unification under a proud Liberal Government that believe in the rights of it`s citizens.

                        Vote
                          -1  
                  • Deborah Coyne has also coherent proposals on how to move things forward. At this time I intent to have her as my second choice after JM.
                    Both JM and DC came in with visions and plans. They thought about what Canada needs and showed us coherent sets of proposals about how to get there. Even if their position are not identical, their separate…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      -1  
              • Apparently is more of a similarity than a contrast. And I do not think is a good idea to have a Harper type of individual to bring LPC to victory. That would not be the LPC we have now. The second point regarding learning on the job. The LPC leader is not an entry level job said MG. And he is right. I do not know what made him throwing his hat in…[Read more]

                Vote
                  1  
                • Your idea is something that is not shared by the majority. Remember the LPC Party that we have had, have not had great success in the past years, in fact it was getting close to not being around until Justin has come forward to bring change. He has the people`s votes and that is what elections are all about.

                  Vote
                    1  
                • Regarding Bob Rae, in hindsight if GK had put his support to him I think the Liberal party would be in a quite different position today. I think that he could have rallied the caucus around him and even if we were not in power we would have remained as official opposition. Going by as strong as he’s been as interim leader I don;t think the Cons…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    4  
                  • Well said! Exactly!

                    Vote
                      2  
                  • unfortunately, many bob rae supporters remember “rae days” and his incompetent ndp govt. i love bob rae, he has given so much, and he is a wonderful person. but he only became interim leader on the promise he wouldn’t run for leader. and some say marc garneau was “too old” at 64…well bob is 65. others say justin trudeau is “too young”…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      4  
                    • There was no other person in provincial politics that could have avoided a strike through the whole civil service when the recession hit Ontario during the early years of free trade. One of the ways that he lowered government spending was scheduling days off work. This is referred to as Rae days, we must remember why.

                      I say that he outgrew his…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        0  
                      • the unions got him elected, that’s where the ndp gets its strength. he imposed a wage freeze and days where teachers and other union members worked for nothing. not sure if that is ethical, even though it averted some layoffs. and, it led to the conservatives sweeping to power and dropping the ndp out of sight the next election. some “social…[Read more]

                        Vote
                          0  
                        • My point is he governed for the good of the province and did not let the financial support of the party pull his strings. That is taking the high road, the scandal that did not happen.

                          There are many examples of a financial wing of a party using government money. This is the opposite how he governed Ontario.

                          What is the Government of Canada’s…[Read more]

                          Vote
                            6  
                          • i think bob rae is an honourable man, but friends, romans (canucks), countrymen (persons), so are they all (politicians), all honourable men.

                            bob rae has done okay, and he will be remembered for all he has done for the LPC, including jumping from the NDP, and as acting leader for two years. how can you not like bob rae, he’s one of the best…[Read more]

                            Vote
                              5  
                        • Actually the Rae Days where not days of unpaid work but days off without pay. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract_(Ontario)
                          I think that BR navigated with a steady hand during a bad economic crisis. I am proud of his performance considering the conditions.

                          Vote
                            2  
                • If the best leader is defined as the one with the most demonstrated political weight, then Bob Rae is our best option. This is just one of his quality leadership skills.

                  Unfortunately he is not on the ballot or my number one choice would be a lot easier at this time.

                  Time to move on and grow as a party.

                  Vote
                    4  
                  • Same here

                    Vote
                      0  
                  • I don’t know – timing does matter and although nobody can doubt Bob Rae’s competence and great ability, he just has too much of a record (oddly enough)…

                    Vote
                      -1  
                    • But if he had run in this competition perhaps we would be able to see if that record is still a liability or not.

                      And i would have loved to see him go H T H with JT in particular. It would have been epic, and a true test of the younger man.

                      I find it a worry that outside of MC[ who looks like yesterday's man], the only candidate with real govt…[Read more]

                      Vote
                        2  
                      • I think the powerful part of LPC, which see LPC just as a more centrist version of CPC, disliked his red-orange hue. Moreover, if I remember correctly, in 2006 he publicly supported the cooperation concept. BR issue was not the bad timing but him trying to renew the party. We have been, and are still punished for not electing him when we had the chance.

                        Vote
                          4  
                    • The `record’ is really that he was the target of the unions when he put out the idea of sharing the load during Ontario’s financial crisis. They coined so-called `Rae-Days’ and it has stuck. I was living abroad at the time and, after reading accounts of the period, I think he got well and truly shafted.

                      Vote
                        6  
            • Joyce announced a new campaign manager today – Kevin Chalmers. She must be encouraged enough by her support to make a final push.

              Vote
                0  
              • Kevin Chalmers – defector – was David Bertschi’s campaign manager up until Friday afternoon (Mar. 8.13). Not sure if that is a gain for JM or not. Too early to tell,

                Vote
                  3  
                • I was just reminded that Kevin Chalmers started out with Alex Burton’s leadership campaign before he moved over to David Bertschi’s camp. It appears he moves from one campaign to the other … perhaps to pick up experience from as many campaigns as possible. I wonder which campaign he’ll move to next before the vote week. :-)

                  Vote
                    7  
                  • Hi Douglas;

                    Changing camps within the party I see as a positive. It shows no deep divisions within the party.

                    If you are correct that the motive is to gain campaign experience, I do not see anything wrong with that. We need a strong campaign team for the next federal election.

                    To me, this is one of the goals of this leadership race. Strong…[Read more]

                    Vote
                      4  
          • So it seems you aren’t merely content you champion cooperation because you think it is the right thing to do. You’re now at least on record as thinking JT is a waste of a vote, a joke. God to know it isn’t personal with you cooperation guys.

            Vote
              4  
            • I hope that’s not directed at me, lol. I don’t think a vote for Justin is a waste of a vote – just not a good one. The only thing I agree with JT on is no cooperation. We lost because we haven’t been ourselves, not because the other parties have been better. When we find our True North, both the Conservatives and the NDP will revert under their rocks.

              Vote
                4  
              • No it was at George. I took a shot at Patricia too. But somehow she removed my comment with hers. No biggie. I’m just a little tired of the cooperation crowd claiming that they and they only rep the national or real party interest.While those of us who think we can do this as liberals if we find our true north again, are somehow wide open to…[Read more]

                Vote
                  8  
                • I never said that a vote for JT was a joke either. I was poking fun at some ladies (and middle-aged women in general) I had dinner with at the ON Liberal convention who were jumping up and down about how JT was going to get all the votes of middle-aged women. Maybe it was a bad joke. Anyway, I removed it.

                  Really, Ken you should see all the…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    2  
                • I’m the culprit. I wrote: “this is not a TV game (I hope) and we may loose a lot by wasting our vote on JT.
                  JT my leader? JT my PM? This is a joke. Give me a break!”
                  Sorry if have been insensitive with other people feelings but at times I feel that what is happening is not real. Similar with the night of the Q referendum count. Hope we’ll get…[Read more]

                  Vote
                    -2  
    • http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/03/06/the_candidate_of_cooperation_finishing_strong_again_this_time_for_liberals_tim_harper.html

      This Toronto Star story said that Liberal Leadership candidate Joyce Murray, an advocate of “electoral cooperation” was going to finish “surprisingly strong” just as the NDP candidate Nate Cullen did,…[Read more]

      Vote
        7  
      • Actually, Stuart Parker’s study of Nathan Cullen’s proposal indicates that merger will bleed many to the Cons. Cooperation will not cause so much damage and is the best route to get a centre-left government. Then each of the parties is left intact to campaign again another day.

        Vote
          1  
      • Agreed about uniting to beat CPC. What’s wrong with uniting all non-CPC-ers to win, get PR system in place and then be back at fighting each other. It make much more sense to me.

        Vote
          -1  
        • Because it won’t work.

          We are agreed that we want to replace Harper at the next election.

          What I am saying is that the strategy of “electoral cooperation” to achieve that goal is fatally flawed.

          A Green party analysis of an NDP proposal is not going to persuade me of the benefits of the Liberal party. Those parties are looking to lock in…[Read more]

          Vote
            1  
          • I have difficulty understanding why it would not work. The issue is if it would work better or not than having JT as our cheer leader. I do not have an answer to that.
            But I have reasons to support the cooperation candidate, JM:
            I like the commitment to a PR system electoral reform. For me PV supported by JT is not a democratic improvement.
            I like…[Read more]

            Vote
              -2  
      • This is an advantage of Cooperation that I can’t wait for! Absolutely, we are in your face and above-board agreeing with the ‘dreaded coalition’ meme. Which means he can’t use it, because he’d only be doing our advertising for us! We can run his ads and save ourselves the money for making new ones (okay, I’m kidding on that) But after…[Read more]

        Vote
          0  
      • Well said. Thank you

        Vote
          2  
    • Indeed — personally, I joined the Liberal Party, not the Anything-but-CPC Party. I may choose to vote strategically if I’m in a riding that warrants it, but the temptation to not vote at all would be pretty strong if I didn’t have the choice.

      Vote
        4  
    • There is no doubt that Justin is an asset to the party in terms of star appeal and fundraising. As a student at U of T, I have heard him speak twice there, and another time at the PHP event in Toronto and of course debates and launch speeches. But when I listen to him, I’m not that inspired. He’s a good speaker sure, but it sounds a bit foreced…[Read more]

      Vote
        4  
      • we have no obama, unfortunately. maybe after his second term we can welcome him here and we won’t even ask to see his birth certificate.

        i do agree with you that jt has managed to get the most press, for sure, but there have been opportunities for other stars, and there are some, to shine and they just haven’t done it. much of our media…[Read more]

        Vote
          1  
      • No one should get an equal chance, just an equal opportunity. Life isn’t fair. That’s just the way it is. Sorry, but all i hear from your post is that it isn’t fair how JT benefits from so much coverage, when it is his natural advantage that is driving that coverage.
        Can you feel it…funny. I thought that line sounded authentic and…[Read more]

        Vote
          1  
        • Great insight, Ken. As much I am sure that my candidate will not be successful against JT, it is all about equal opportunity. I would have preferred a member-inspired vote on which candidates we’d like to have seen go head to head, a la street fighter (but without the violence, lol). But we are, where we are.

          Vote
            1  
    • I like Andrew Coyne’s proposal for an agreement, for one election only, of the 3 parties (Liberals, NDP, Green) to cooperate to bring in some form of proportional representation in the new parliament and then dissolve. The chances of this happening for the next election are practically nil but the seed needs to be cast.

      Continuing with 4…[Read more]

      Vote
        -2  
    • I’m sorry but JT seems to be such a light-weight. To elect someone just because his last name is Trudeau is the utmost folly. We will be repeating the Ignatief debacle – looking for glitz rather than substance. Either MHF or MG will be better, much better.

      Vote
        -6  
    • If Joyce Murray were to somehow upset Justin I would have a very difficult time campaigning for our local liberal candidate. That is of course if we had a local liberal. I could not in good faith vote for any NDP usurper. After 40 years of supporting our great party, I would likely sit out the 2015 election.

      Vote
        4  
      • 1-This would be a one time exercise with the purpose of getting a government able to implement a PR system.
        2- The ridings exposing LPCers, NDPers or GPCers to the moral conundrum of not having their own party candidate to vote for are those where CPC have a reasonable good chances to win only because of vote splitting.
        3-Assuming that one is in…[Read more]

        Vote
          0  
    • I am supporting JM for her vision of a more democratic and sustainable Canada. I also believe that this vision could be brought closer by applying her plan of cooperation with progressive parties for the coming elections.

      Vote
        -1  
      • like you said, she’ll be a great progressive voice in the ear of the new leader.

        Vote
          1  
        • Hope she’ll talk to herself.

          Vote
            0  
          • is she crazy too, like the rest of us?

            Vote
              6  
            • Yes, I did not notice anybody conceding that his/her vote changed based on argumentation read here. Therefore seems crazy spending so much time here when it is clear that we exercise our debating/writing skills mostly with close to 0 political efficiency.

              Vote
                0  
              • how true george. at least we’ve spoken, heard and even some have listened. i never held high hopes for this forum anyway, more of an airing of grievances, like some fools standing on soap boxes in the middle of mostly empty parks prior to social media.

                Vote
                  1  
    • I hope most of the party members and supporters will vote for Joyce Murray-first, Deborah Coyne-second, and Justin Trudeau-third. Joyce has the best vision and the most efficient plan to achieve it, Deborah has a marvelous plan on how to unite Canada, and Justin is a talented communicator.

      Vote
        -4  
      • you forgot to add jm and dc have little chance to become leader and no chance of defeating harper, didn’t you george, or are those tiny points irrelevant. oh, and most of the party members and supporters will not vote the way you hope, unless they want to subvert the LPC into further doom.

        Vote
          1  
        • Peter, One should not take George literally as he ( in the minority camp ) is only trying to get others to follow his points of view. As we all know, the Majority will win! No one really like to be a loser! That is why we need Justin, to make us a winning team again.

          Vote
            -2  
          • i think we all have some reservations about JT, but being a winner is not one of them. And, so far, he’s proven the pundits wrong by addressing the topics of the day head on. I don’t always agree with him either, but he gets my vote. There, I’ve said it, I’m outed!!!

            p.s. you certainly have to give George credit for his tenacity though. i think…[Read more]

            Vote
              4  
      • I’ll second your post George. I have a lot of respect for Joyce’s ability to come through not only with the win but also demonstrated governance with accountability and transparency. Deborah Coyne is also a brilliant legal expert whose abilities to negotiate federal/inter-provincial and international agreements would be a huge asset to…[Read more]

        Vote
          -2  
  • #leadershiprace Can JT beat Harper during the next election?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFw2I5mCcAAY5Ue.jpg:large

    Vote
      1  
    • It ain’t JT but Canadian voters who will beat SHG. Can the Liberals convince them about the LPC alternative and then enegize them to vote their conviction? It ain’t who you are but what you do!

      Vote
        8  
    • Maybe you should have asked, “Can JT convince Canadian voters that the Liberal Party policies are the best choice for Canadians and in that way beat SH & co. during the next election?”

      As much as I also admire some of the other candidates, it is unfortunate for them that at this time we need a leader who can really connect with the voters. JT…[Read more]

      Vote
        1  
    • That’s actually pretty cool. The Trudeau legend is a factor still in this country whether JT’s detractors like it or not.
      Should JT be able to beat Harper it could [ and will] be argued in some quarter the old man has had the final say over an arch Conservative once again – but this time from the grave.

      Vote
        0  
    • I think he can. But I also think this is of little importance, as the gain will likely be temporary. JT may be good in short term, but I think will be a disaster for the Liberal party in the long term. The reason: he is not committed to bringing significant changes to the party, he is more of status quo candidate. Significant electoral reform…[Read more]

      Vote
        3  
      • This leadership race I believe is about more than one policy. This I believe is better for our long term interests. We are at a disadvantage changing leaders every few years.

        I do hear your comments on electoral reform, I like Justin’s approach of excepting the nomination of local EDA’s. This in my view allows for grass roots growth.

        As for as…[Read more]

        Vote
          4  
        • I find the issue too important even for a reerendum – at the very least a Royal Commission on electoral reform. There has to be a true national consensus on the this. We wisely chose this with Bilingualism and multiculturalism; it is surely one of the reasons even Harper dare not ditch those programmes – they’re part of our national fabric now.
          I…[Read more]

          Vote
            2  
          • No, you are quite right. A Royal Commission must get into this. It isn’t even good enough, in my mind, to have a referendum first such as ”do you want electoral reform” because then everyone wants minute details of exactly the system of reform. And, it does need a true national consensus.

            Vote
              2  
            • I believe that best way to determine a national consensus is through a national referendum. This question itself must be clear.

              This is were I step back, who writes the question? I think the HoC has become overly partisan. All partisanship must be avoided when we are talking about something that must withstand the test of time.

              Vote
                -2  
        • Once again that fallicy about OZ. Oz only uses AV for Senate seats, of which there are only two per state, in all but very small areas and many Aussies don’t like it at all. They just know people are tired of the whole thing and change is almost too boring to discuss.. But we do use it for leadership and candidate races where it works just fine.…[Read more]

          Vote
            3  
      • You are mistaken Sergiy, Justin DOES support “significant” Electoral Reform. It may not be your “personal” approach but it is “significant”. In fact he goes beyond just electoral reform and has strong and sound policy for DEMOCRATIC reforms that include open nominations, loosening the grip of the PMO, limiting prorogation and omnibus…[Read more]

        Vote
          4  
        • Preferential ballot by itself is not significant. Look at the number of people who are planning to not rank their ballot just in this leadership race! So that is probably what Sergiy meant. Absolutely, once we get electoral reform we are a long way from being finished, and these democratic reforms must follow. And as we’ve talked about…[Read more]

          Vote
            1  
          • That’s an interesting point. In Oz, if you don’t fill in the whole ballot it’s considered `informal’ or some such term meaning wasted. That’s why there are a lot of `donkey’ votes – top to bottom as the names appear on the ballot.

            Vote
              1  
          • I think we have to make a choice. Free MP votes or strong party votes.

            If we do not make this choice we will lack direction for reform.

            Vote
              0  
    • The sleeper in the LPC leadership race and over the next 2 years and in the 2014 or 2015 election is the thirst of millions of Canadians for electoral reform to drag Canada into the forefront of democratic elections.

      My preference is a Royal Commission, to allow Canadians across the country to be heard, plus experts from existing MPR systems…[Read more]

      Vote
        5  
    • Just watch him.

      Vote
        2  
  • Our new Leader.

    Go, Liberals, Go
    Go, Justin, Go

    May we Unite together to defeat the Conservatives
    #LeadershipRace #important-issues #renewal

    Vote
      5  
    • 2015 election here we come – hopefully we can make up the lost ground from the last election. Lets all stand behind Justin and make this happen!

      Vote
        2  
  • #leadershiprace 3 hrs to go…It’s true….dough!

    Vote
      3  
    • 83% have voted with 1/2 hour left. Would be fantastic to reach 85%.

      Cannot believe we had such a high turnout. I think this really says something about how well the process has been handled.

      A big congratulations to all the staff and volunteers who have done such a fantastic job.

      Vote
        3  
  • #leadershiprace We’ve topped 80 000 votes for leader, with no major computer crashes or glitches that I’ve heard of. I understand a number of people had some issues getting their pins and stuff. Overall though, I’d call this a success (and we still have the weekend to get votes in).

    Vote
      7  
    • I’ve noticed the rate of voting slowed down a lot in the last 24 hours. I hope we will beat the 100,000 target though- that would be an important achievment.

      Vote
        2  
      • Actually, as of 3:30 p.m. EDT, there were more votes cast over the last 24 hours (9,837) than there were over the previous 24 hours (8,122).
        Voters Registered: 127,173
        Votes Cast: 84,803
        Voter Turnout: 66.68%

        Vote
          3  
  • 60 000 and counting! #leadershiprace

    Vote
      4  
  • #leadershiprace I was reading in the news that the party is discussing whether to only announce the winner of the leadership race, with no numbers. Is it correct? I hope they will not go that way – very bad optics (not transparent). I guess the thinking is it’d be bad for the party unity if the candidate X won with say only 51% of support. But…[Read more]

    Vote
      5  
    • Sergiy; do you have a source of this?

      Vote
        2  
    • The way I understand the ballot system is that the winner, after others have been eliminated through the ranking system, will end up with 15,401 points. So, it would be pointless to offer than number. Unless you are wanting to see total results after each elimination? That could be demoralizing for candidates as they are eliminated.

      Vote
        -4  
      • It is customary to know the results after each elimination. Yes, it can make some feel uncomfortable but it can also give someone like Karen Mc or Deborah Coyne a real sense of pride. They both indicated they would run in 2015 and a respectable showing would help their cause.

        Vote
          1  
        • There are always pockets of support and even a bad result shows where they have had the most support. It will influence their decision to run in future ridings. If a candidate only gets 4%, it isn’t good… but that 4% was situated somewhere

          Vote
            0  
    • Yes, please – let’s keep this issue on the top, to make sure that this lesdership race will be an example of transparency. The party might even do it in a extended way, generating more suspence: first announcing the first ballot full results, a few minutes later – second ballot (if needed) and so on. Also, I hope there will be popular vote stats…[Read more]

      Vote
        4  
      • I still find this lack of complete transparency very disturbing. It has been a few days since Sergiy brought this issue to my attention.

        I second his idea about building up suspense if it goes more than one ballot.

        … waiting for a clarification on how the voting results will be publicized.

        Vote
          2  
        • Another suggestion for creating more ’suspence': they can show the map of Canada after each ballot, which colors the ridings depending on which candidate went over 50% (if any). This way we could tell how regional each candidate’s support is.

          Vote
            2  
    • Not announcing the number of votes for the leader and for all the candidates would be a BIG MISTAKE. It will take all the excitement out of the announcement since we all know the results of that already. Please say it isn’t so!!!

      Vote
        1  
    • THE LIBERALS WILL RELEASE A COMPLETE RUNDOWN OF VOTES cast for each Liberal leadership election candidate, in each of the 308 federal electoral districts, once the winner of the party’s ground-breaking online vote is announced on Sunday.

      With voter participation rising steadily through the week, 77,251 per cent of 127,145 registered voters had…[Read more]

      Vote
        4  
  • #leadershiprace

    Whoever wins tomorrow, I’m going to donate an extra $10. Just seems like a good symbolic gesture to the winner to show my support.

    Vote
      4  
  • #leadershiprace

    This is fantastic. Just checked the figures and we are at 66%.
    Let’s break 100,000

    Vote
      4  
  • Don’t forget to vote in the #LeadershipRace

    Vote
      1  
  • #leadershiprace Wrong riding for leadership voting. When I, my wife and my neighbours became Liberal members, we were all placed in the wrong riding. The reason is that our rural street address has a town and postal code that is located across the riding boundary in the adjacent riding. It took a lot of exchanges with Liberal Membership until we…[Read more]

    Vote
      5  
    • When I ckick on your name your riding comes uo as:
      Riding Lanark–Frontenac–Lennox and Addington
      Is this the right riding or are you in a different one?

      Vote
        0  
      • Yes. It is currently correct on this Community forum. It has been incorrect here in the past, and it has changed a few times.

        Vote
          1  
    • Elections Canada and party software should allow unique postal codes when they cross riding boundaries. Election Canada should the take the lead.

      eg. X0X 0X0 – Your fire number if provided. (or another identify feature)

      Voting should not be a frustration. It should be a good experience.

      Vote
        2  
    • My wife got a call-back today from my call yesterday to the Liberal leadership office. She was told that indeed we are in the wrong riding and the list is frozen and cannot be changed. She was told that we should go ahead and vote in the wrong riding.

      I phoned back late this afternoon and asked to talk to a senior person. I was told that we are…[Read more]

      Vote
        1  
  • Don Girard posted an update 1 year, 6 months ago

    #leadershiprace

    Joyce Murray will be my first choice, for her solid visions, ability to withstand criticism and proceed with all her visions. Justin Trudeau for his willingness to listen and alter his perceptions to lead for all of us and not his own pet visions, to have all ridings nominate who they want to run for the riding. I would not vote…[Read more]

    Vote
      1  
    • Mr Turdo;

      I am ready to listen to other views. Lets get passed the talking points.

      If you could change anything about how are country is run, what would it be?

      Vote
        -1  
    • Hi Justine,
      Please remember the LPC Community’s goal is to stimulate an intelligent and fruitful discussion. As such, we ask that you remain on topic, that you use language that is civil and respectful, and refrain from attacks of any kind. We reserve the right to remove or not post any comments or information that does not meet these…[Read more]

      Vote
        6  
      • Andre, shouldn’t we asking ourselves how someone with such an obviously fictitious name got access to a Liberal website? I’m not suggesting you expend any energy tracking down such an obvious clown. But respectfully i submit mocking them is at least as productive as trying to engage…believe me i’ve tried a lot of the later…invariably it’s…[Read more]

        Vote
          1  
        • Hi Ken,
          My personal apologies, we currently believe the automated system for verifying members was defeated in this particular instance. We will investigate how and put in measures so this does not repeat itself.
          Thanks for your understanding :)

          Vote
            5  
          • No need to apologize. Maybe next time we can have an opportunity to attach a little clown symbol on outliers like that one, instead of saying anything mean.

            Vote
              0  
        • Justine…poutine…nah, couldn’t be

          Vote
            1  
    • Silly, silly little person.

      We do not have to lower ourselves to your level.
      Your being on this site proves you are a frightened little person with no thought process of your own. You listen to and believe everything harper and his gang of misfits say.
      We are not offended by you, we pity you.

      Vote
        3  
  • #leadershiprace Some members here have raised some questions on whether or not the details of the Leadership Results will be provided. Here’s the scoop:

    At some point in the evening, during the official Results Announcement on Sunday April 14, the Chief Electoral Officer will report the number of votes cast and the number of points required to…[Read more]

    Vote
      13  
  • For those interested, we’ve broke 50 000 votes cast for leader! #leadershiprace

    Vote
      3  
  • #leadershipRace

    I can’t vote, issue with system (apparently incorrect credentials), and when you call the support line, it actually hangs up on you when all agents are busy. This is unacceptable.

    Vote
      2  
  • Load More