Name Jarek Walter
Riding Barrie-Springwater-Oro-Medonte
Interests Democratic reforms, Rights of an individual, Freedom and Personal Fulfillment
Web site http://www.jarekwalter.com

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  • Jarek Walter posted an update 1 year ago

    #supplymanagement
    The Globe article by Martha Hall Findlay provides us with interesting facts about newly signed CETA agreement. She focuses her attention on the fact that additional 17,000 tons of cheese will be allowed tariffs free to be imported into Canada from EU. It turns out that this amounts to 3.5% of cheese Canadians consume yearly. To…[Read more]

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    • I like the fact that we are discussing SM in its present-day form but I do hope we don’t throw out the baby and bathwater together. At a time when many are looking for products that have a smaller environmental footprint, importing our food, in particular, might demonstrate that we have misread the times. Although I see many would love the…[Read more]

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    • Bill replied 1 year ago

      It may work out alright for Canada. That waits to be seen. The 3.5% figure though is of the whole cheese market. The coming cheese will not be “pizza cheese”. It will be the high end cheese. What % of the market will that be? Will it mean cheaper cheese just for the rich folks? Will cheesmakers have to switch overhead costs to cheaper…[Read more]

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      • All are good questions. I would assume that Canadian beef and pork farmers done some research prior to pushing it as a topic of CETA negotiations. It’s interesting than in Europe a lot of people presume that we, Canadians have advantages in beef and pork production and they are afraid that they won’t be able to compete with our farmers.
        I saw…[Read more]

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        • Jarek: In fact, Canadians do have a locational advantage over Europeans for beef production; the land base for quality and quantity of feed and fodder. We also have a supply of new immigrants and foreign temp.’s to produce and process boxed beef. Don’t look for a Euro-windfall for Canadian beef because Brazil and Australia have locational…[Read more]

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      • Bill: Indeed, we do not have the CETA text to debate national advantages in detail. We do have enough credible information to debate general points: Canadian beef to EU makes sense, because Canada has land, sparse in Europe, for production of huge amounts of feed and fodder necessary for the inefficient cattle to convert to meat. Ergo, win-win. On…[Read more]

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  • Jarek Walter posted an update 1 year ago

    #supplymanagement
    Number of months ago we have got into a heated discussion on this forum about Canadian supply management system and Mr. Doyon work done in this area.
    Today, National Post published this article: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/09/26/jesse-kline-the-statists-guide-to-supply-management/. Below you will find a quote from…[Read more]

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    • Yet with supply management, we haven’t had any Soviet-style lining up for milk — not even the slightest *hint* of shortages in all the time supply management has been in place. You came from the USSR to Canada and were able to purchase all kinds of supply-managed goods without any hint of the kinds of line-ups you experienced in the USSR. So this…[Read more]

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      • Perhaps you missed this story: http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/19/newfoundland-reeling-over-tinned-cream-shortage-that-retailers-blame-on-strict-dairy-supply-management-laws/

        This is not butter or 1% milk, but supply management is not good at supplying specialty markets.

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        • No. I didn’t miss that item. That particular question should be dealt with on its own merits — but it is separate from other supply management issues, and it remains to be demonstrated that supply management *in principle as opposed to its implementation in specific cases such as this specialty cream item* can in any way whatsoever be justifiably…[Read more]

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          • Communists also continue to argue that it remains to be demonstrated that Marxism in principle, as opposed to its implementation in specific cases, does not work.

            People may not be aware of supply management specifically, but everyone who has ever crossed the US border to buy milk, eggs or poultry is aware of its effects on price.

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            • That’s an ad hominem argument, and irrelevant. That this particular observation was made in defence of communism is irrelevant to other cases.

              There are many cases that in principle work but don’t in certain circumstances, and vice versa. Any discussion should stick to the material arguments relevant to the case at hand.

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              • An ad hominem argument would be one which attacks you personally, and I don’t believe I have.
                I was attempting to show, by way of example, that if something works in theory but not in practice, then it doesn’t work.

                The facts are that while supply management benefits a small number of dairy, egg and poultry producers through higher and more…[Read more]

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                • It doesn’t have to be directed at me. In this case you were using a variety of ad hominem combined with a false analogy. You and the first poster are emulating the National Post writer by avoiding dealing with the relevant question (supply management alone and using the diversionary tactic of associating it and its proponents with Marxist central…[Read more]

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        • Supply management deters dairy farmers from expanding to meet local demand due to the very high cost of buying a milk selling quota . It deters small farmers from producing more than a few eggs and forces the consumer to buy often stale eggs from large grocers . It keeps the price of chicken high at the supermarkets and prevents the farmer…[Read more]

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      • Christopher, it wasn’t my intention to present my personal experience from the Soviet era as a argument in the discussion about merits of the SMS. It was simply a reflection related to the quoted paragraph from the article.
        In the past we discussed the topic of SMS in details, based on factual arguments, opinions and reports.

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    • Maybe the dialogue should be changed to having a secure food supply. Should we have a one year supply of grain in storage for a rainy day. When grain prices are low we the people or we the government could or should buy up sufficient to avoid a food crisis ?

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    • Jarek: I would not quibble if I did not think it important: For your information, Doyon is Dr. Doyon; It is Klein of the Post, who is Mr. Klein. Accordingly, there are two competitive definition of economics: study of (1) how we earn a living and (2) how we create wealth for some. It should be noted that wealth can (and is) created by replacing…[Read more]

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  • Kudos to Michael Ignatieff for clearly stating what is the role of an ex-politician in politics (this is a quote from his latest book):

    ”In the weeks afterward, the solitary reality of defeat began to sink in. It turns out that there is nothing so ex as an ex-politician, especially a defeated one. Your phone goes dead. While I had been in office,…[Read more]

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    • And how many ex-councillors, senators and ex-MPs do you know that don’t share Mr. Ignatieff’s point of view?

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      • Actually, quite a few on municipal and federal level. I think that those who have been in politics for a long time have a difficult time to recognize when it’s time to depart in full glory and to allow next generation too carry a torch. The inclination is to wait too long. It is difficult to say “good bye” on good terms when you are forced out…[Read more]

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    • Too bad he did such a smear campaign on Stephane Dion. Bob Rae doesn’t fare too well in his book either I gather. { mine arrives to-day}. Liberals have to stop airing the dirty laundry in public. Enough of this already!

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      • It was not just dirty laundry Mr. Ignatieff dragged out but laundry of dubious ownership. He might have been forthcoming in identifying how Mr. Dion’s initiative was at variance with law, precedent and ethics. A classic Ignatieff flip flop. I expected better.

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        • From what i read in the post he also claim the Dion deal with the ndp and the bloc was secret. Actually the docs were there on public display at the signing ceremony.
          I don’t have a problem with MI as a private citizen writing about the events[ apparently he isn't to kind to Harper either] surrounding the coalition.At least liberal leaders are…[Read more]

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          • I agree with you entirely, Ken. It’s one thing to say that the optics would have been bad, and so on. But to (a) adopt Harper’s “coalition of losers” line and (b) misstate the constitutional position, is just appalling. We elect MPs, not parties or governments. It’s MPs who decide the legitimacy of a government — i.e., if it can gain and…[Read more]

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          • Ken: If Dion & Co. were a ”coalition of losers” then Harper and Ignatieff were ”winners” and we know that isn’t it. Moreover, precedents are wrong and Liberals and Conservatives at Westminster are losers and Tony Blair is a winner. Dion did nothing wrong in the coalition that Harper had not proposed himself. Harper is a ”winner” when he is at his…[Read more]

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    • Good for our ex-leader for making this call. It can be very difficult to give up something you love, or something you’ve been doing for a long time, but it’s what’s best for the party, and the country. He may not have delivered the best results as a leader, but he did and continues to demonstrate core Liberal values, which can never forget him…[Read more]

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  • The nomination meeting in Toronto Centre will start in a couple of hours. There is a lot of disappointment related to the nomination rules (when meeting was called by the party, the rules dictated that cut of date for signing new members was retroactive resulting in an about 600 newly signed members not being able to vote).
    We are hearing from…[Read more]

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  • More and more critical voices are being raised about Chrystia Freeland’s entrance into the nomination race in Toronto Centre. The focus is on this riding as a nominated candidate will be seen as Bob Rae replacement.
    It’s not a secret that Chrystia is supported by Justin and his team. Some people are getting outraged by it. I think that there is…[Read more]

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    • Wise thoughts Jarek, It amazes me how our party became infiltrated with people who used it for their own gains. As a friend explained, we Liberals are open to everyone and will give a voice to all who want to speak. Contrast this with the Conservative approach where only those who speak the party line are allowed a voice. I agree with you that…[Read more]

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    • Yes, the Constitution gives the Leader absolute authority to decline approval of a candidate. The National Campaign Committee also has that absolute authority, in Section 56.2. We expect this authority would be excercised only in cases where there is potential or evidence of the candidate not serving in the best interest of the Party or not…[Read more]

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    • And what does any of this have to do with Freeland moving to Toronto Centre, campaigning for the nomination and working hard to be successful as the candidate???? Trudeau has NOT indicated in any way, shape or form (nor has his staff or office) that Freeland is his preferred candidate!!! All he has ever done is suggest that she run AGAINST OTHERS…[Read more]

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      • I agree totally! She and Justin are kindred souls. She is a gift to the party and to the country. The Cons must be terrified of both of them. She will fight this on her own merits with a great team.

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      • The media are painting it that way because it makes copy (no doubt with some help from “friends” in the other parties.

        Liberals should not be falling for this. Ted Ross is running a credible campaign and has received endorsements from a sitting MP and Martha Hall Findlay.

        Does Freedland have an advantage because Trudeau is supporting her?…[Read more]

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        • A correction to the above. MHF endorsed Diana Burke, not Ted Ross.

          We really, really need an edit button for these comments!

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        • The surprise date for a nomination meeting (see my post below) will prevent significant number of members from taking part in a vote. Usually, when cut-off date is known in advance, people mobilize to support their candidate. When cut-off date is set up to be an retroactive, this opportunity is taken away.

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    • I agree with Emilie Kitteringham and hope all individuals who seek to be the candidate for Toronto Centre have good campaigns. My question, who else is seeking the nomination?? I have had a “cottage/office” in that riding since 1997 and I am also an inveterate media person. I had never heard of Freedman ( and we even worked for the same company)…[Read more]

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      • Todd Ross (community organizer) and Diana Burke (banker) are also contesting the nomination.

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        • I can image that Todd and Diana are quite disappointed that a nomination meeting in Toronto Centre unexpectedly was called for the 15th of September. Such a sudden announcement, without an early warning meant that cut-off date for signing up new members was retroactive. All new and renewing members who used membership forms to sign-up for the vote…[Read more]

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  • During the last LPC Convention (Ottawa, January 2012) it was a lot of talk about ways to reinvent ourselves as a New, Bold Liberal Party. My fellings are that we didn’t achieve too much in building this Bold Party of ours.
    I’m wondering if I’m isolated in this perception and if my expectations were too high. Or am I just too impatient and…[Read more]

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    • I think I share some of that, but I’m pretty sure it was my expectations being too high and a lack of patience. But that said, it seems we do a few things differently, maybe, but we haven’t gotten to being different in any way.

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    • What did you expect to be implemented that wasn’t, Jarek?

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      • Hi Brian, I can turn around and ask you what was implemented making us Bold and New :-).
        Anyway, you were the one who was advocating for empowerment of grassroots and giving real power to rank members. I’m afraid that nothing significant was done in this area. We still have in place hierarchical communication structure that involves riding…[Read more]

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        • Fair enough, Jarek, but I was being sincere in wondering what you expected to see happen that wasn’t. It is hard to meet people’s expectations if you don’t know what they are :)

          So let me first say that I agree 100% that we need to do more to improve the party in terms of empowering the ridings to do more to organize effectively and help us…[Read more]

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          • Hi, Brian.

            I thought that was well said and thought that, as a relatively new Party member, I should share my thoughts on openness and inclusiveness.

            I can only tell you what has happened in our riding (Vancouver Centre).

            1) Shortly after I joined the party, I received an email inviting me to a volunteer registration night. It was well attended…[Read more]

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            • Welcome to the Party, and I’m glad to hear that the Vancouver Centre volunteer engagement process has been so efficient. I’m also glad to hear that you went out with the canvass club!

              I think if all our ridings had a volunteer engagement process developed to this level, we would be in a far better situation as a party.

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          • Quote: “We absolutely must do better at providing training to our volunteers and providing them with access to best practices and campaign materials to be successful in pursuing the constant campaign. We need to encourage them to run their associations according to a baseline process that is focused on voter engagement and not administrative BS.…[Read more]

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      • Brian: I find the same question arising when “disappointed” members agonize. Why, pray, can we not have a specific example or two? Mind you, they do not have to be too specific, because specificity of military orders is not in the nature of national policy. Still,it’s difficult to participate when one is not aware of what is being discussed. It…[Read more]

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        • Lloyd, really do try and partipate, but at times the doors seem to be closed!

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          • John: No fear: My constituency, neighbouring ones, my colleagues, my provincial administration, the national administration, MP’s and Senators are fine. However, my profession (community development) and generally positive experiences sag something fierce when folks make “inscrutable” and refuse to examine disconferming evidence, that I want…[Read more]

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      • Well Brian, since you are running for Leadership.
        I forwarded a proposal to open up the James Bay / Hudson Bay area for tourism and port facilities and had quite favourable response from our party members but have yet to hear any type of response from the Liberal Hierarchy. Do you guys actually listen to new members? Perhaps that is one…[Read more]

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        • John, so there are no misunderstandings, I am running for President not Leader. And I always respond to the members in BC who contact me with any concern or idea.

          With out knowing the specifics of the steps you took to get a response from the “Liberal Hierarchy” I can’t directly comment on your situation. However, the policy process of the…[Read more]

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    • No need to down-vote Jarek’s comment. It is a legitimate one when it comes from a member who is not involved in day-to-day Party operations at the executive level nationally, provincially or at the EDA level. In reality, ordinary members do not get much information on progress.

      While the newsletters from HQ in Ottawa were a good first step for…[Read more]

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      • I thhink we elected the wrong president of the party at that election. What has he done? I haven’t heard from him in well over a year. Alas, I voted for Shiela who had some great ideas. It is also difficult at the riding level to stir up conversation and discussion as to how to involve the grass roots. I think we are seening change in how the LPC…[Read more]

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      • If new members or members not involved in the day to day functions, then it is the fault of the executive. Perhaps that is where the CHANGE is required.

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    • Perhaps you have a good point. As a new member back then the feelings and posts were all pointing to change. Reality has shown very little from Internal Party leaders. As an example to get involved in the Ontario Seniors Commission it brought forth no reaction, even when there are no members representing Seniors in Ontario. No explanation, not…[Read more]

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      • There is no Ontario Seniors Commission. This is a situation that the national Seniors Commission President, Ken Halliday, has been trying to address, and they should be able to hold a re-founding AGM at the next LPC(O) AGM next year. I’m not sure how you tried to contact them, but given that they don’t exist I am not surprised you didn’t get…[Read more]

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        • Thanks Brian for your input.
          Just for your information, I did attend an Ontario Central aregion conference last spring and that was the first time I had ever heard of the Seniors Commission. As a new member and with a real passion to rid ourselves of Harper I asked about it and had many conversations with our President for the riding. Good support…[Read more]

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    • The biggest change so far has been openness.
      Trudeau has been honest with the Canadian public, something that they have not seen in years.

      The change I want to see is in the ridings. Many seem to have disappeared since the last election.
      I am in an area that will be split into a new riding in September. I have no idea what will happen or if…[Read more]

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      • I can’t speak for your riding, but I will be in the new riding of Vacouver-Granville and asked the same question.

        What I have been told is that nothing could happen until the riding boundaries are official. They’ve been tabled but I believe they still need to be approved by Parliament. Once that happens, my new riding will hold an AGM to elect…[Read more]

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  • #agriculture #policy
    Another reflection on the last Wednesday’s telephone Townhall with Bob Rae. One of the callers placed the question: what was Bob’s position on the supply management? Bob hasn’t provided the answer. We heard that we need to have a debate and look at all aspects of the supply management. It’s interesting that the same week the…[Read more]

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    • It seems like many people here are against supply managment, and not to pass judgement on those commenting, but are any of these people farmers? I don’t mean to be rude or exclude or imply that they should be excluded, that is people from the city, but as it has been stated in other posts this is a complicated issue that has to be looked at in…[Read more]

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      • During our last convention in Ottawa, the term widely used by speakers was “Evidence Based Policy”.
        In this spirit, I would like to focus on the actual evidence we have on hand.
        We are assuming that we have tens of thousands small family farms benefiting from the existence of the system. Let’s look at the numbers. At the end of the Second World…[Read more]

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        • A similar historical process with fishermen eventually owing fish quotas came into being on the west coast. The fish quotas eventually were prohibitively expensive for young fishermen to buy into. The problem was too much gear chasing too few fish so a few lucky folks won the food production lottery. The sports fishery here on the west coast…[Read more]

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        • Well of course that is what you’d get from Andrew Coyne – the fact you presented don’t weigh against supply management – the same erosion of family farms has happened in the US. And the cost numbers you throw out can be seen in the direct subsidies the US gives its farmers. If you are using evidence based argument, you need to look at all the…[Read more]

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          • #supplymanagement
            Forty years since the SMS was legislated iin Canada is long time. It’s true that industry changed during this time and there is no comparison to the time when 135,000 family dairy farms required some kind of protection. Today’s 12,000 Canadian dairy farmers benefit from the monopoly offered by the SMS while those who want to…[Read more]

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            • Doesn’t that mean we should just fix or update it, rather than just discard it?

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              • #supplymanagement
                Yes, I think we should not assume that the only solution is to discard it. The problem is that we treat it as a sacred cow. Any talks about modifying or adjusting it are assumed to be an attack on the system.

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                • Jack,
                  I don’t want to labour this discussion – but do you not think we’d end up in a similar situation (oligopoly) if we eliminated the SMS – in fact i’d be surprised if we didn’t see even greater concentration and greater producer surplus going to the new agricultural trusts, probably none of which would be Canadian owned anymore.

                  I think we…[Read more]

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      • I live in a rural area; not a farmer but in the midst of many. Most policies should be revisited – including supply management to ensure that their not still in the horse and buggy age.

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  • The candidate for the nomination in Toronto Centre, Chrystia Freeland joined the Facebook yesterday at 4:22 PM. Today, not even 24 hours passed since and she already has close to 2,500 likes. If this is an indication of a popularity, we can easy speculate who will replace Bob Rae as a MP for Toronto Centre.

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    • I hope so!! How can we help, outside the ED? I know! Donate! Is there another way to support the candidate?

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      • The most important is the number of EDA members voting for a given candidate. Therefore, if you have any friends living in Toronto Centre who are not members of the party and would like to take part in a selection of such impressive candidate as Chrystia Freeland, you can suggest to them joining the party and attending the nomination meeting.

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    • I hope this is the type of candidate our leader Justin Trudeau may attract to run for nomination in the next federal election. It is encouraging. The caliber and quality of candidates will increase interest in the political process which is a good thing.

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  • #supplymanagement
    “…many experts counter that Canada has all the competitive advantages to be a food-export colossus – if only it would overhaul supply management. Economist Colin Carter, director of agricultural economics at the University of California-Davis and an expert on global commodities markets, has made the case that Canada is…[Read more]

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    • I’m not seeing where the Dairy Farmers of Canada is saying that:

      `The Dairy Farmers of Canada, which speaks for the country’s roughly 12,700 dairy farms, rejects the notion that supply management is to blame for the industry’s inefficiency. Instead, it argues that Canada is saddled with a small population base and much higher costs because it…[Read more]

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      • #supplymanagement
        Patricia, I would like to elaborate on your statement ”Add to that the fact that not supporting medium to smaller size producers leaves the field open to conglomerates”.
        I’m afraid that is already happening. The farms operating under the SMS consist only 7.5% all all farms in Canada (17,203 out of 229,373 in 2006) and are the…[Read more]

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        • Jarek,
          If the free-for-all was so good why did it fail us before? What makes you think that if we abandon SM all the problems we saw in the 70’s will not happen again. Why would we want to fix something which is not broken.

          SM is no less efficient and than the free-for-all you propose. With pricing and market access reasonably assured,…[Read more]

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        • Jarek: SMS farming is typically full time. A significant proportion of farming in Canada is part time, where the majority of operator’s income is from off farm sources. A growing amount of farming activity is by hobbyists, who are motivated by rural life style. All types of farming contribute to a singular goal of stable, safe and affordable…[Read more]

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      • Patricia: The problem with “SMS busters” is they compare apples and oranges: When Martha Hall Findlay compared a price of a gallon of milk in U.S. and Canada, she priced the former as a gallon purchase and the latter as a summation of a glass purchase times enough glasses for an imperial gallon. Similarly, OECD found a subsidy that Canadian…[Read more]

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  • #supplymanagement
    Just came back home after stopping at the family farm where I’ve got a free range duck. They kept chickens as well. The lady who runs the farm was telling me how the supply management system limits number of opportunities for them. They would like to keep more than 99 egg laying hens that the systems allows them. They have a…[Read more]

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    • Mr. Walter, I realize that some small hobby farms may be frustrated by a supply management system that limits their participation in small local markets. Are you aware that in Canada the farmers that are in supply management are the only farmers that can farm without asking for subsidy? We who are not in supply management, for instance beef…[Read more]

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      • #supplymanagement
        I wouldn’t agree that the farmers covered by the SM system (isn’t it like 7% farms) are operating without subsidies. It’s true that subsidies for them are not provided by the government. An avarage Canadian family pays hundreds of dollars extra for products produced under the SMS. Isn’t it a form form of a subsidy?
        Yes,…[Read more]

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      • #supplymanagement
        Ms. Duncan-McMillan, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you about hormones in beef produced in Canada.
        It was reported that in free trade negotiation with EU Canadian side would like to set a minimum of 40,000 tons of Canadian beef to be allowed into EU without tariffs. EU doesn’t allow hormone injected beef. The…[Read more]

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    • Jarek: The last go-’round ended with agreement that quota prices were out of line and provinces needed to coordinate their demands to a national interest criteria. Otherwise, supply management was the best system if one considered Europe, US, Oceania, etc. Now here we go again: The fact is local producers can flood the market in a race to the…[Read more]

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      • #supplymanagement
        Lloyd, there is one thing for us to talk and exchange our views on a theoretical level but nothing can replace a conversation with a farmer. Listening to stories of the family who has been doing farming for decades provides knowledge we can not obtain from a discussion forum.
        Ontario is especially restrictive allowing only 99…[Read more]

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        • Jarek: I farmed till age 18 in partnership with my father. For 12 years, I worked for the Agricultural Rehabilitation and Development Act. Among my colleagues are agricultural economists and rural sociologists. My extended family has farmers and my neighbours are farmers, some with SMS quotas. Your suggestion that I missed the small picture or the…[Read more]

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          • Lloyd, it wasn’t my intention to suggest anything personal. I’m sorry I wasn’t clear about it. I just expressed my view trying to emphasize the impact conversations with farmers had on me (they were not “hobby” farmers but families who live from farming and sell their products at farm gates and farmers markets. I see you point – they have to…[Read more]

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            • Jarek: It is difficult to debate where participants make reference to terminology that glitters in its generality but has no meaning in the universe being debated. You seem to believe “hobby farmers” are abused champions of the “free market”. The following is not my opinion, not being an economist but a generally accepted view of “free…[Read more]

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              • #supplymanagement
                Thank you for pointing out the article by Sylvain Charlebois, associate dean of the college of management and economics, University of Guelph. I think that his conclusion is a nice wrap up of our discussion:
                ” The downright disconnect between supply and demand has fostered a dictating sentiment of entitlement among farmers at…[Read more]

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                • Jarek: I’m an equal opportunity debater; citing pro’s and con’s. I hope you noted that Sylvain was outgunned, starting with the “free market” misnomer (Investopedia). Sylvain, like you, take the minority view that those markets are “free” and that “free market” is scientific rather than a lobbyist terminology. Indeed, why would a…[Read more]

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    • Supply management for eggs allows farmers with quotas to make a reasonable middle class living and also gives consumers a quality product. If quotas were removed suppliers would flood the market and prices would drop dramatically starting a boom and bust egg market as we currently see with pork.
      (I remember when the milk marketing board was set…[Read more]

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      • Bill: Sound reasoning and good points. In effect, processors who got their start in Canada expanded into the US and beyond, now want to ignore the border between the two and treat North America as one market. Above, George Morris explodes the myth that supply management somehow discourages trade deals in general, much less trade deals like the…[Read more]

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      • Bill, your comment highlights the negative impact the SMS is having on the efficiency of farm covered by it. As prof. Charlebois (see references to his article in previous comments) observed “Since Americans have been operating under free-market rules for decades, farms in the U.S. are much more efficient.” According to him it may put our…[Read more]

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        • Mr. Walter: Right wing propaganda mills (e.g. School of Public Policy where Martha Hall Findlay is an “executive fellow”) claim all manner of horrors follow from Canada’s supply management system. So please respond to the claim that consumer price of milk in the US, most things being equal, is about 20% less than the price in Canada but in the US…[Read more]

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  • The National Post reported today that according to the poll conducted for them, the percentage of Canadians who would vote Liberal dropped from 44% to 38%.
    ( http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/28/shine-has-come-off-the-trudeau-express-liberal-support-dropping-as-tories-make-up-ground/ ).
    The selection of Justin as our leader, brought us to the…[Read more]

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    • I wonder how they got those figures?
      The new nanos poll released yesterday showed that the number of Canadians who would consider voting liberal increased from 51.5 percent in November to 62.4 percent in June.
      It also showed the number of Canadians who would consider supporting the cons fell from 51.5 to 36.4 percent.
      I agree that we have to…[Read more]

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      • It could just be an outlier, JT has shown a consistent and steady upward trend for months now. Or it could be some residual damage from the furor over the speaking fees. I doubt there’s any long term damage, as the LPC handled it well enough, aided and abetted by the charities themselves[ only the one asked for a refund, and we know all about…[Read more]

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    • The only poll that matters is the one taken on e-day. But you are right, if we don’t get out there and solidify the interest being shown in our Leader and party by having conversations with voters, we risk losing the momentum we have built.

      Community events and festivals, summer door canvassing, street canvassing, coffee shop meetings and pub…[Read more]

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  • I’ve just finished reading the latest video messages from the members of the National Board of LPC (http://www.liberal.ca/newsroom/blog/videos-messages-national-board-directors/).
    I’m afraid that the NB is overlooking very important aspect of the renewal process (after all we were promised Bold, New Liberal Party two years ago). The empowering of…[Read more]

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    • Jarek, this is exactly the reason we have implemented two new programs in this years budget: Field Workers and Tiered Services.

      The LPC, through the PTAs, are in the process of creating 17 Field Worker positions across the country. These Field Workers are to work with the ridings to help them become more open and more effective organizations. …[Read more]

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      • This is such a good idea. I am sure most of the dissatisfaction I read about is due to EDAs having the best intents but not the expertise (and time).

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        • My observation: EDAs which are open, welcoming and transparent are finding the expertise to communicate, engage, outreach and be present in the community. If the EDA is not able to attract professionals offering their skills and expertise, it usualy indicates a disfunctional EDA (the usual culprit is the person who effectivaly controls the riding…[Read more]

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          • Jarek, while I understand your personal experience reflects this view, I have been to many EDAs in many Provinces, and I can tell you that the scenario described by Patricia is far more common in unresponsive ridings than your experience.

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  • Facebook likes: 86,131 for the current Prime Minister (Mr. Harper) and 93,139 for our future Prime Minister – Justin. Let’s continue this hard work to renew and rebuild our party that the above gap will grow in an exponential scale.

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    • Am I correct in thinking this is the first time any other political leader has had more likes than harper?

      Sign of things to come.

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  • In order to have an opportunity to enjoy a cocktail with Justin you need to have deep pockets. Tickets for the upcoming event in Toronto are $500 (no special treatment for Laurier Club members). However if you are Torontonian willing to drive to Montreal, you can save some money as price of a ticket to a similar event is set to $250 (even better…[Read more]

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  • “Riding associations must be open to all of their members. PTAs should create a sub-committee from their executive to hear any complaints of riding associations being inaccessible to their members or other transgressions. All meetings of riding associations should be posted on the LPC website on custom riding association pages so that members can…[Read more]

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    • If anyone is having any issue engaging with their riding, they should contact 1-888-Liberal or assistance@liberal.ca. The party is in the process of implementing a national Field Worker program that – among other things – is meant to help ensure members and supporters are able to engage with their ridings.

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      • Hey Brian,
        So, based on your answer I’m assuming that no PTA created such a committee and this item from Mike Crawley’s platform was not implemented. Am I correct?

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  • I’m wondering what is the real purpose of gossips collection by three Globe and Mail’s journalists and publishing it in a form of an article on Saturday when the readership is particularly high?

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-the-liberal-party-lost-mark-carney/article6414626/

    The article creates an impression that we are still…[Read more]

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    • Today we see more of the same topic in Macleans:

      http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/12/16/the-carney-affair-with-the-liberal-party-of-canada-it-will-all-end-in-tears/

      Again, the conclusion reached by the author puzzles me.
      “But if by taking a run at Mark Carney, these Liberals have initiated a never-ending cycle of speculation about the possible…[Read more]

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      • I doubt anyone has really counted the Libs out despite their pretense that they have.

        Keeping the image of Libs as a party of old and clubby is one of the many clues. I expect, as the next election draws near, we will see a concerted effort by both to damage the Lib brand and they have the media to help, just as they did during the last one by…[Read more]

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    • Now the story of Mark Carney connections with our party’s brass is getting an international twist. The Guardian published the article:

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/dec/18/bank-england-governor-british-politics

      It’s amazing how the story evolves. The last sentence of the article states: “There’s some point where you start to believe…[Read more]

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      • Some use spin to get elected, others to sell media, and it all adds up to total distaste and trust of both by the public, how can we believe anything anymore? We all get tricked, especially with busy lives, often we do not have time to read between the lines, or see much besides the headlines or conclusions, and all these tricksters know it.

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    • I don’t mind movers and shakers getting together to speculate on possibility thinking. That is the way things get initiated. However, with the new leadership electoral format it is the party members and supporters who get the final say – it is now direct democracy not a representative convention. If Mark Carney has Liberal sympathies, I hope…[Read more]

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      • I agree that the new way of electing our Leader is a step toward direct democracy. I would risk saying that supporters would have more weight then members during the vote (based on comparison of supporters and members numbers). There is an excellent PPT presentation how the vote would work…[Read more]

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        • Jarek Walter has complained on Liberal.ca that candidates trying to replace people loyal to former Liberal MP Maria Minna at the recent Beaches-East York AGM “were wiped out by superior organizational skills of those who wanted to be mired in days of past glory.”

          If Mr. Walter had been involved in the affairs of our EDA prior to November, 2011,…[Read more]

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          • I’ve never been less than respectful of you, Robert, and if you choose to behave otherwise I’ll let that speak for itself. I’m only replying to correct the most flagrant error in your presentation of these facts. I live about 50 meters west of the riding, and I walked to the AGM. You have my address on your members list. And considering how…[Read more]

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            • As Jeff Rybak was not eligible to vote at the recent Beaches-East York AGM his name was not on the list. The only Jeff Rybak I could find on Canada 411 lives on Ronscesvalles Avenue in Parkdale. If he does live in Toronto-Danforth as he says, I suggest that he should apply his talents and energies to revitalizing/rebnuilding his own riding…[Read more]

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        • Bringing it back to life to prove that comments were not deleted by the LPC as some ex-MP claims :-)

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      • I agree with you Peter but it does leave one to wonder how a real economist ( Mark Carney ) would fare against Harper, an economist by paper only.

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    • To be clear: Robert MacBain is a husband of Hon. Maria Minna. I’m not going to comment on Mr. MacBain’s post as it has nothing to do with the topic being discussed here. I haven’t expected this kind of response :-(.

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      • One day and four hours ago on Liberal.ca, Jarek Walter said: “I’m afraid that the result of the [Liberal leadership] vote won’t be determined by the ideas and platforms presented by candidates, but by organizational skills of a campaign team. I saw it in my riding during recent ADM where all candidates advocating for innovation, inclusiveness,…[Read more]

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        • Oh Robert, my one reflection on the leadership vote and so many words from you…If the cap fits, wear it. :-)

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          • What is the purpose of these thumbs up and/or down buttons?

            There’s a little clique on this discussion forum that gives thumbs up to whatever their colleagues post and thumbs down to anyone who takes an opposite view.

            Rather thyan an anonymous thumbs up or down, why don’t they make a comment and put their names to it?

            That’d make for a much…[Read more]

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    • Jarek: It’s called politics and that’s how the game is played.

      Just because we are moving forward with renewal of the LPC doesn’t mean that the underlying methodologies of power are going to change – nor should they necessarily.

      I think you are perhaps being a bit too sensitive and reading more into these articles than is necessary. Every…[Read more]

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      • Martin Showell says: “Regarding the ‘turn’ this thread took down your EDA level … I am a little put off by Mr MacBain’s responses – it is quite obvious to anyone reading this thread that Mr MacBain’s feelings were hurt and apparently he is defending his wife, which I think means we need to take his strong counter-attack with a grain of salt ……[Read more]

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        • Regardless of your impressive credentials (and thank you so much for pointing them out – it added so much to the discussion) yes, I believe that your responses on this thread and your lack of contribution to the actual point of the thread, would indicate that a) your feelings have been hurt and b) you are defending a loved one – a noble trait by…[Read more]

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      • Thanks, Martin. I guess I was too engaged and excited about renewal, rebuilding and transformation of LPC into new, bold party that I overlooked possibility that there would be fractions opposing it and advocating for the status quo.You are right – busing people in, giving them written direction how to vote, signing members on the last possible…[Read more]

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        • It sounds like they “played the game” very well.

          If they did anything against the rules, you should take that information to the authorities.

          If they played within the rules but the rules are bad, you should work to change the rules.

          But to play a game, lose and then complain because the other side played better, undermines your position.

          I…[Read more]

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          • Thank you Martin, for your several comments on topic (the new topic, anyway) in this discussion. I won’t try to reply to them all, but I agree almost entirely point for point.

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  • Repeating over and over that Harper is bulling Justin is not the best approach, IMO. After all, the definition of a ”bully” is a person habitually cruel to others who are weaker. It implies that we have a stronger and a weaker side. Do we want to be constantly putting ourselves on a weaker side?
    We have to look at the impact of those negative ads.…[Read more]

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    • I’d agree we need to push back in some way. But remember those ads have raised us a good deal of money as well. In fact I notice they haven’t said how much those AAs raised. And I know that some people have merely gone to their site to see how scummy it was. Same for the YouTube ads… Obviously not all the hits were positive from a Tory pov. I…[Read more]

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    • I know a lot of people that went to the con site.

      They went there because they simply could not believe harper would stoop that low.

      A lot of these same people then went to the liberal site and donated to our party.
      In this case I think money is doing the talking. If harper puts out 3 or 4 more of these ads we may have the next paid for.

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      • Cash flow has been up substantially this week thanks (I expect) in part to the brash personal attacks. The CPC Communications Corps are likely working overtime cranking out the next batch. Go get ’em folks.

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        • You know what bugs me most about this is that due to generous tax credits much of that money [ours too] will come out unwittingly out of ordinary tps pockets.
          IMV it isn’t right. I’d like to see the party commit to doing away with the TC for all but the most low end donors. Better yet reinstate the per vote sub AND reduce the personal TC.

          I…[Read more]

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      • Indeed, the flow of donations is an unexpected side effect of those ads. Would it be incorrect to assume that those who donated would like to see their money in action? If there is no response they have been hoping for, the next time another ad pops up, the stream of money will dwindle. Eventually, it will dry out, I’m afraid.

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        • Jarek: I was looking for a win in Labrador for my donation. Attack ads do not always work for their sponsors. One of the conditions where they work is when the target is weak or lacking confidence. Not much chance of that in this case. You are right bullies find strength (usually in numbers) and right now the HarperCons do not have numbers. The…[Read more]

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    • Maybe, most of the hits, where women, looking to see, if Justin actually, did take his shirt off!
      No wonder the CPC site was so popular, Justin was there, nothing else to see, other wise ;-)
      The CPC site, obvious isn’t set up, to have people, actually engage.
      If the CPC keeps this up, we won’t have to spend any of our money ha, ha

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    • Not sure I agree Jarek. Repeating anything over and over drives the point home – just ask the cpc. If every time JT is attacked we make a point of repeating, again, that Harper is just a bully, people will catch on – and remember we’re telling them something they already know, we’re just reminding them. We need to tie it in with his silencing of…[Read more]

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      • Martin, don’t get me wrong – I’m not calling for an attack ads but for a response to the ones we saw recently. I’m sure that it’s just a beginning. We need to have a strategy in place to deal with them.

        I believe that the assumption of Harper self destructing himself is not enough to win a political battle. We need to remember that the…[Read more]

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        • I’m not suggesting that we “do nothing”. I am suggesting that if we gear our self-promotion as responses to what the cpc do, then we are allowing them to write the script and we are trading punches with a group that has more resources than we do (right now).

          I think we should prepare our promotional material, our advertising, with a positive…[Read more]

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      • I agree with Martin that repeating is hugely important. We have to keep it simple and repeat, although the term bullying in reference to Harper has become extremely common . Its been used by journalists, former public servants and by the general public on twitter, facebook and media comment boards. It has become THE word of choice.
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    • Jarek, we ARE on the weaker side. We are the opposition while the Conservatives are in government.

      And yet their supporters continue to harass and belittle us Liberals on the social media sites of twitter, the globeandmail, sunnewsnetwork and Sun News TV.

      Sun News reporters are actually laughing while they report violent and bullying comments…[Read more]

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    • As predicted, Conservatives posted the second ad. Their ability and willingness to twist the truth is shocking. If they are going to publish a new ad every second day, they will run out topics and everyone will get bored with them. Obviously, they are aiming at poorly informed people with limited ability to unmask their tactics. Are we reaching to…[Read more]

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  • It’s after midnight. I’ve just got back home from our Vote Announcement Results Party in our neighborhood bar in Beaches-East York of Toronto. The event was jointly organized by our Federal and Provincial Riding Associations.
    We all celebrated our party success – the process of selecting our leader set up new standards in Canadian politics.
    Now…[Read more]

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  • #supplymanagement
    Here we are again discussing the Supply Management System. This time it is triggered by the letter floating on Internet. The letter was send by our Liberal MP, Wayne Easter to Martha Hall Findlay.

    Study after study has found that the system is broken. A report issued by the Montreal Economic Institute last August concludes…[Read more]

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    • #supplymanagement @wayne-easter

      I have a few questions for The Hon. Wayne Easter and I hope, that if he honestly cares about what this party wants, as he claims in his letter to MHF, that he will take the time to respond to us all here on the community page at Liberal.ca:

      QUESTION: Do you, or anyone in your immediate family, still own a dairy…[Read more]

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      • Wayne Easter in one of the links to his twitter (found in Martin’s post) refers to the 2009 Liberal convention priority policy resolution mandating party support for Supply Management System.
        Here are the resolutions; http://djsvoutqo4b1q.cloudfront.net/files/2010/05/2009-policy-resolutions-en.pdf
        There is no reference to the SMS in any of the…[Read more]

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        • Jarek – Mr Easter actually replied to my questions (!) here on Liberal.ca (look for the #supplymanagement hashtag)

          In his response he says that the resolution he was discussing was from the 2005 convention (#33). I misread the tweet – he actually says “It was voted at the PREVIOUS convention to 2009.” – strange way to word it but …

          Please…[Read more]

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        • I refered to the Caucus Accountability Report presended to the 2009 convention which was the report related to how caucus handled the priority resolutins from the previous policy convention. I would expect you would want caucus members to fight for the policies of the Party adopted at convention. I would expect the same from leadership candidates.

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          • Caucus members?
            Or critics?

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            • Our Caucus members not onlly represent their constituents in the House, they also represent the Party’s policies, which are established through a thorough process of research , debate and finally a vote at National Convention.

              The Leader of the Party must also report to the membership on the measures that the Caucus has taken to implement the…[Read more]

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          • This brings up an interesting question that I have tried to find an answer to before. Perhaps you have some insight Mr Easter or @maryanne-kampouris can assist …

            Is there (and if there is, how does it work) a process for the periodic review of policy resolutions in the LPC?

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            • Martin,

              In the first year after Biennial, the Party has been encouraging EDA’s to engage local constituents (liberal and non-liberal alike) in discussions that would identify issues and policy proposals that matter. The second year is to be one of developing the policy proposals that best fit the needs of Canadian citizens.

              During that…[Read more]

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              • Thank you Maryanne. I am looking forward to seeing the new tools that the Liberal Party will be unveiling to assist with policy discussion. I am especially cheered to hear that we will be providing a “summary” of existing policy as a starting point. I believe this is much needed as even very active LPC members seem to have difficulty referring…[Read more]

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          • Wayne, Thank you very much for taking part in our discussion. You involvement in it makes it much more substantive. Knowing that a member of our caucus is listening to us and is engaged in dialog with us very encouraging to all of us who care about the future of our Party and our great country.

            I’m assuming that the item related to the Supply…[Read more]

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      • This sounds more like heckling than substantive discussion.

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        • I’m sorry you feel that a member of the LPC asking legitimate questions of a member of his caucus constitutes “heckling”. And what shall we call your comment? Does it help the conversation in anyway? Does it add any new information? What is it’s purpose Patricia? What word would you use to describe it?

          Mr Easter who was nice enough to…[Read more]

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      • Martin,
        Supply management is not a subsidy in the usual sense of the word. It is a form f regulation of the market such that there is stability. I think it is a good thing that dairy farmers incomes are relatively healthy – they are greater than those incomes of farmers in non-supply systems I would hazard. So why would we want to throw them…[Read more]

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        • Ray, thank you for your comments. Yes, I understand how SM works. You are correct it is not a subsidy in the “usual sense of the word” i.e. it is not direct government money. Rather, it is a subsidy paid directly by the consumer. An amount that is difficult to analyze due to the complexity of the system. This “subsidy” arises from what in any…[Read more]

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      • Well stated! Let’s support leadership candidates who promote evidence-based policy and a fearless commitment to open and informed debate and inquiry on what best serves the common good!

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    • The Montreal Economic Institute appears to be another neocon think-tank. It has connections to the federal Conservative party. Wiki reports. ”The MEI was criticized by Le Devoir and universities about the ideological neutrality of their research.”

      The Conference Board of Canada is another think tank which has a better reputation but has also…[Read more]

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      • Patricia, my information about CETA is based on this article published on January 28, 2013 in Globe and Mail. Here are quotes from it:

        “Decisions on the remaining tradeoffs will likely be made by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who has staked his Conservative government’s economic strategy on getting a deal. Ottawa says free trade with Europe…[Read more]

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        • I do not normally accept newspaper articles at face value. And what the Harper government says has very little credibility with me. At the moment, I do not have time to research the issue further to be able to comment intelligently. But I do have some respect for yet another lobby group – the Council of Canadians – who have expressed concerns…[Read more]

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      • You mention a “report” by Wayne Easter – can you please provide a link to this “report” – I am not aware that he has produced one. There is his “letter” to MHF – but that hardly constitutes a report and his assumptions and assertions in that letter are not backed up by any evidence I can see. And let us not forget — HE IS a dairy…[Read more]

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        • Wayne

          This blog is not a proper forum to discuss issues of such complexity. In any event, I have raised legitimate concerns to hysteria demanding an end to SM to which there has been no substantive objections raised.

          Instead it seems you have mastered Harper’s strategy of attack, attack on matters of little substance in order to distract…[Read more]

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          • Patricia, are you addressing your response to Wayne?

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          • Patricia (I assume the above comment was directed at me and not Wayne Easter?)

            I am going to break my response into two comments – one addressing your continued rude, mean-spirited, aggressive and unhelpful attacks on me personally and another addressing the bits you have actually added to the discussion on supply management.

            (NOTE: I apologize…[Read more]

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          • … now to discuss the actual “meat” of you response …

            I do not see any “hysteria” – what does that mean? I personally am not hysterical and have never “demanding an end to SM”. So, I’m not sure who that is addressed to.

            Thank you for agreeing that supply management should be studied. This has been my main point all along. Perhaps you…[Read more]

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    • http://mnc2013.ca/speakers/youri-chassin-mei/

      Jarek, i’m not saying that right wing think tanks don’t have a right to to chime in on the national economic debate. But i hope you are aware that it is expressly conservative. I have no idea who this gent is, but do you see who is endorsing him? The hilariously immodestly named Manning centre for…[Read more]

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      • Hi Ken: SM has been studied by scholarly folk a good deal because of its apparent success where others were failing miserably. Unfortunately agricultural economist will not wait for citizens who also have a stake in SM to get up to speed. That is why propaganda tanks get involved. To the great credit of Laval, one of their agriculture econ.…[Read more]

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        • Lloyd: I think Mayrice Doyon is one of very few who can assess our SMS and compare it with other countries approach. Thank you for pointing me to his work.
          You commented on some aspects of my previous posts :-)). Taking it into consideration, I decided to delete two of them.

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          • Jarek: You are welcome. I cannot see LPC listening to one consultant. I have a difficulty, as does Doyon, with the notion that innovation amount to increased size of dairies, that is, return to scale, rather than innovation, because increasing size is a trend. It’s already happening and economists are finding ways for intermediate scale to work…[Read more]

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  • #leadershiprace #renewal #cooperation

    I’m alarmed by, as I see it, a very dangerous patter developing between our veteran and well known MPs. I’m referring to comments made by Carolyn Bennett (MP for St. Pauls’s, Ont.), Judy Sgro (MP for York West, Ont.) and Hedy Fry (MP for Vancouver Centre, B.C.) with regards to Martha Hall Findlay’s strongly…[Read more]

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