Résultats pour le hashtag #cannabis
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Edward Paskevich posted an update posté il y a 1 jour 15 heures
#cannabis
Not in favour of legalization, decriminalization yesMany points of discussion in draft policy paper, comment only on very few:
Reduce access to youth-think not, people get asked outside of liquor stores to buy for the underage, and if that didn’t supply demand I know people would purchase legally for the sole purpose of dealing it…[En afficher davantage]
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Your concerns are largely addressable by legalization.
Youth access is essentially unlimited now, moving to a store based system allows for accountability and visibility. Here in PEI we just had our first tobacco sales audit ever come back with 0 sales to minors. I call that success. Drug dealers will not turn away youth, but the corner store…[En afficher davantage]
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Martin Showell posted an update posté il y a 1 mois
PLEASE READ: https://bc.liberal.ca/files/2013/01/DRAFT-Marijuana-Policy-Paper-Jan-13.pdf … a draft policy paper from the Liberal Party of Canada (BC) Standing Policy Committee.
I commented below on Frank Mills’ post about the need to develop LPC policy on the issue of cannabis legalization. The importance of gathering…[En afficher davantage]
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Frank Mills posted an update posté il y a 1 mois
#cannabis Even the pro conservative paper, Toronto Sun is publishing pro cannabis legalization articles.
It isn’t likely they will move in that direction with Harper in power, but the Liberals need to own the cannabis legalization issue.
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/16/the-conservative-pro-pot-argument
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I completely agree. The issue of cannabis legalization and regulation should be a priority item for an LPC policy paper. We need to expand the policy resolution (http://convention.liberal.ca/justice/117-legalize-and-regulate-marijuana/) from the 2012 convention. There needs to be a period of consultation both within the party and with Canadians in…[En afficher davantage]
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Christian Moreno posted an update posté il y a 1 mois
#cannabis Canada needs to take an approach of harm reduction when tackling the issue of drug use. Take the time and read the Canada v. PHS Community Services (It is long, but speaks volumes on the issue). Harper’s position on combating drug use is purely ideological, based on no evidence and completely undermines the purpose of the CDSA. …[En afficher davantage]
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Gary Chynne posted an update posté il y a 1 mois 3 semaines
#cannabis on april 5 2012 the senate special committee on illegal drugs stated that marijauana is no worse than alcohol.that marijauna does not lead to harder drugs.
that the laws don’t work,that marijauna should be sold in stores to people over 16.
the conservative party of course ignored this.
another point is 60% of conservatives in a recent…[En afficher davantage]-
let’s get rid of these people for sure, but hold on about legalization. all the candidates for leadership agreed at the last debate in montreal that decriminalization, to make it not a criminal offence for those who are found with cannabis for personal use, is the preferred policy. can’t beleive that they finally came to their senses and…[En afficher davantage]
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i had to give myself a thumbs up. i am so deserving.
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message to the haters, if you really think the leadership hoperfuls read our posts, you’re delusional. lighten up…or light up, as he case may be.
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PETER YOU MUST HAVE BEEN WATCHING A DIFFERENT DEBATE THAN I WAS WATCHING,
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Gary,
If you look to the left of your keyboard and push CAPS LOCK again, you can return to typing like the rest of us.
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Jonathan, @Gary_Chynne and others who use that style, might actually be ’ALL CAPS LIBERALS’ whom Dr. Hoskins from Ontario defined this year in the Ontario Liberal leadership race.
Turns out… it’s not that obnoxious when you get used to it.
Kinda like speaking and writing in Greek. Ideas are connected without pause. Who knew?? : )
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caps off to gary? don’t think so.
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HI JONATHAN
I’M WRITING IN CAPITOL LETTERS NOT CAPS ON.I AM NOW GOING TO WRITE IN CAPITOL LETTERS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I’M 68 AND CAN’T SEE PIDDLEY LITTLE LETTERS WELL ENOUGH TO NOT MAKE SPELLING MISTAKES.LARGE LETTERS ARE EASY T’ READ.I’M NOT A ORTHODOX PERSON WHO GOES ALONG WITH POPULAR CONVENTIONS JUST BECAUSE THERE POPULAR.SMALL LETTERS…[En afficher davantage]-
Gary, your style of writing may make it easier for you to see the letters, but in all honesty my friend, it is very difficult for the rest of us the read – really!
If you have a vision problem may I respectfully suggest that you try CTRL + to zoom your browser page. Keep clicking that until the type is large enough for you to see clearly. That…[En afficher davantage]
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Wow! Thanks for that Martin. :)
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HI MARTIN
I’D REALLY LIKE TO GET ALONG.I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH UZE GUYS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTION OF TRYING CTRL+ZOOM.
HERE IS MY PROBLEM.
WHERE YOU WROTE”REST OF US THE READ”YOU MEANT REST OF US TO READ.
I WAS MAKING MISTAKES LIKE THAT ALSO BECAUSE THE PRINT IS SO SMALL YOU MISSED IT.THAT IS WHY I USE LARGE LETTERS.
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It was just a suggestion Gary – one that solves your problem without impacting others. It should also have the added affect of making OUR comments easier for you to read.
If spelling is your concern, I recommend using a spellchecker in your browser that highlights spelling errors. Chrome and Firefox have one built in and if you use Internet…[En afficher davantage]
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THATS A GOOD IDEA MARTIN.
I SEE WHAT YOUR SAYING.I’LL TRY SPACING AND SEPARATING.
I HOPE IT MAKES THINGS EASIER FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.
I WRITE ONE THOUGHT AFTER ANOTHER JUST AS I THINK AND SPEAK.
I WILL TRY TO STRUCTURE THINGS A BIT BETTER TO SEE IF IT IS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.
TAKE CARE GARY-
Your operating system and most web browsers have the ability to increase font sizes to make things easier to read.
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i guess we hear what we want to hear. there’s no one pushing for legalization, but everyone seems to be in favour of decriminalization. politics isn’t about ideas, it’s about getting elected.
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Actually, JM and JT are talking about legalization and they are the two frontrunners. The main group ‘pushing’ for decriminalization, seems to be a group of other party oriented people in BC who have a lot to gain financially by keeping it illegal.
Legalization is the only model that cuts out the criminal supply chain, stops criminalizing…[En afficher davantage]
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Deborah Coyne also supports legalization – not sure about the others.
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HIGH FRANK
YES WHAT YOU’VE WRITTEN HERE ABOUT LEGALIZATION
BEING THE ONLY MODEL THAT WORKS IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY.I’LL BACK YOU TO THE HILT.
THIS IS MAR 27/13 AND I JUST SAW JUSTIN TALKING ON CHANNEL 24.HE SAID WE NEED TO LEGALIZE MARIJAUNA AGAIN.HE ALSO WAS REALLY GOOD AT DEFLECTING SHOTS AND COUNTER ATTACKING.HE IS GOING TO DO JUST FINE I CAN…[En afficher davantage] -
I seem to agree. Most people that I met that favour decriminalization over legalization have a personal financial benefits because it is illegal.
All the more reason to push for legalization, criminal profits will be reduced.
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very simplistic. who do you meet, crime bosses? most of the world decrims, i suppose it’s because organaized criminals are in policital office. wait, you might have a point there :/
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I do not meet crime bosses.
It is not necessary for a criminal organisation to get elected to have power and influence in political decisions.
See the The Charbonneau Commission for more information.
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oh i see, you meet with the likes of Bernard Trépanier do you? of course there’s corruption in politics, but to say that Canada hasn’t legalized cannabis because of personal gain of members of governemt is ludicrous. harper wants to throw all offenders in jail, more rational people want to make personal use not jail time. if the cons favour…[En afficher davantage]
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Canada has not legalized cannabis because of politicians think they will not be re-elected.
No one will tell a politician that the represent crime. That does not keep them from influencing decisions.
On a smaller scale, a person that sells cannabis to subsidize their habit, will not support legalization. This is were I was going.
As long as…[En afficher davantage]
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i think your smaller scale goes without saying.
and i couldn’t agree more with your first statement. we have to get elected first.
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Someone has to say that street dealers will not support legalization. I am not afraid of attacks that may seem to connect me with a criminal. My views are sincere and in the interests of the public.
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please don’t think my comments are personal attacks, or if i had any motive to connect you with criminal behaviour. that’s not my point at all, so i’m sorry if i offended you. I think all our views are sincere, and no one on here that I am aware of is running for political office or has anything to gain by stating their positions. some may…[En afficher davantage]
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I made my point and all is well.
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i was referring to the last liberal leadership debate in montreal, where they all had fallen back to positions of decrim. there are much bigger issues on the agenda, the largest i believe is environment vis a vis a sustainable economy, and JM has a better perspective than JT in my opinion. but who is more politcally savvy? JT.
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no it’s not the only model that “stops criminalizing harmless activity”. that’s called decriminalization. listen, i’m not against legalization (even though i don’t rate its benefits as high as you do), but what i am for is winning the next election. i don’t think it’s a winning policy. i could be wrong, but with the conservatives…[En afficher davantage]
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Oh dear. ”Politics isn’t about ideas … really? I thought it was having good ideas that got one elected. Silly me.
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yes, silly you. you didn’t finish the end of my sentence, “It’s about gettng elected”. there are many ideas, good and bad, that get edited in political wastebaskets. harper hasn’t had a “good” (notice i didn’t qualify good or bad in my statement, like you did, after the “oh dear”) idea in years, other than muzzling his band of merry…[En afficher davantage]
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GOOD POINT MARTIN.
GOOD POINT.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
TAKE CARE
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Not as bad as Kim Campbell, ”an election is not a time to talk about policy”. Stephan Harper proved her right but he did not say it during the campaign.
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Joyce Murray and the Liberal party membership favor legalization as proposed in resolution 117 to legalize and regulate marijuana. That resolution was passed with an overwhelming majority at the 2012 Liberal Party Biennial Convention in Ottawa. The social, health, and economic benefits far outweigh any perceived social problems and would take…[En afficher davantage]
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sure, turn this into a joyce murray promotion.
i am quite aware of the policy that was adopted in 2012. this is 2013, and there are candidates bidding for the leadership of the LPC. all i am saying, is that from what i heard from the last debate that the candidates had moved toward a more politically shrewd position, toward decrimninalization…[En afficher davantage]
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I didn’t hear that at all. Actually, JT moved from decriminalization to legalization. There is a group out west associated with another party who favour decriminalization. Coincidently, they are also involved in the sale of cannabis so they have a vested interest in keeping a legal regulated supply off the market. Names are withheld to protect…[En afficher davantage]
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“JT moved from decriminalization to legalization”. He was talking about the possibilty, felt it needed more research, and backs decrim.
I wish I were as postive as you seem to be on the “sweet spot”. Perhaps you’re right, but perhaps too it makes us vulnerable to both Party’s attacks. The polls that show Canadians support legisaltion do…[En afficher davantage]
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If a person is unable grow it legally, or did not plan ahead, what options are left?
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i see that as part of the decrim bill.
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Not so Peter. Decrim generally just means you get the equivalent of a parking ticket for smoking a whatever it is they call it these days. Meanwhile some criminal is growing massive amounts and making millions selling it without paying any taxes.
Legalize it, the substance isn’t harmful. The worst effects of it on an adult are that it makes them…[En afficher davantage]
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or never ever vote.
decrim can mean anything we want. you can make the growing of a small number of plants for personal use part of it. listen, it isn’t even legal in the netherlands, in fact ever since it was decrimed the use declined. the major problem they have is cross-border shopping. think we might have that here, just maybe, if we…[En afficher davantage]
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Decriminalization, legalization, are they just a word to get poll results?
Why would we debate about a word when we can talk about the priorities?
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it’s not about a word. how long have we been debating this…too long.
if smoking it is not a criminal activity (that is, it’s been decriminalized for personal use), then perhaps growing your own for personal use can be included. .
legalizing on the other hand is very complicated. i really don’t want to talk about this anymore, it’s…[En afficher davantage]
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Legalization means we can sell and tax it. Thats what we need.
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still not convinced we’re ready for that kind of bureaucracy, and social change. sin taxing is not usually popular with users.
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I can except that their is not a hard definition. What options would you add to the decriminalize bill?
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John Langenecker posted an update posté il y a 1 mois 2 semaines
#cannabis “For the first time, a majority of Americans back legalizing marijuana, marking significant changes in public opinion toward the drug, especially among the young, a survey by the Pew Research Center showed on…[En afficher davantage]
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Pat Petrala posted an update posté il y a 1 mois 3 semaines
#cannabis To be part of the BC Cannabis Partners Campaign and get timely updates – the national campaign to decentralize it to the Provinces, information, facts versus myths, articles, papers, media clips and more, web and video links – sign up at: BCMedicalCannabisPartners@gmail.com; OTHER groups are working to influence the Federal Medical…[En afficher davantage]
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Gregory Lang posted an update posté il y a 2 mois
#cannabis
we cannot and should not legalize cannabis. we should decriminalize it federally, but also establish a system through which each community may regulate it as they see fit, to which the federal government should provide the teeth of enforcement.anyone who wants weed to be legal should think carefully about the regulations that would…[En afficher davantage]
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I think you are contradicting your self aren’t you? For regulation to occur at a community level, the federal government must first remove the existing laws on possession, distribution and production that supersede any regulation at the provincial or municipal level. That is exactly what the idea behind legalization and regulation is. How it…[En afficher davantage]
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no I am not contradicting myself.
i agree that it should be decriminalized..that’s a no brainer.
in the privacy of your own home – maybe…no kids and no pets..and your home is not an apartment…probably o.k. but in creating regulations the common rule is to default against the unwarranted abuse of others so the regulations would probably not…[En afficher davantage]-
Perhaps then my problem is I don’t understand what you mean by “decriminalization”. Generally when discussing cannabis regulation, decriminalization is used to refer to no longer arresting citizens for possession of small quantities – generally less than a 1/2 oz. but that production and distribution remains illegal. Is this what you mean?
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OMG – you can indeed go on..no one is debating that !.
the party voted to legalize it because no one really understood what that means. we often do dumb things at policy conventions – its kind of a tradition in the liberal party.decriminalize means – use of it for personal reasons is okeedokee. we have all sorts of other laws already in place to…[En afficher davantage]
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Yes I do like to be thorough and back up my opinions with sensible reasoned argument. I suppose I could have responded to your pronouncement of personal opinion: “we cannot and should not legalize cannabis … with … “Yes we should!” … but I’m not sure what purpose that serves. I think the idea of this site is to discuss and hopefully…[En afficher davantage]
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Apologies for anyone inferring that I arrogantly ”do know what it means”, I was implying that the full force of what it means to legalize cannabis is much more complicated and was not a due consideration of the convention floor. The standard of legal test at the Supreme court on restrictions of individual liberty and the very nature of our country…[En afficher davantage]
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Ah, getting a bit “verbose” yourself now I see :-) Good! This is not twitter after all!
Regarding federal vs. provincial vs. municipal, I still do not understand how a substance remain illegal at the federal level but “regulated” at the community level. Maybe I am missing something. Do you have any examples of laws like this?
To jump to the…[En afficher davantage]
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i agree with you for the most part. decriminalization would be accepted by just about everyone except for the extreme moralists (read conservatives). it would keep personal users out of jail and with any luck extinguish criminal records for those already convicted. legalization is a giant step…it probably reflects what many in the population…[En afficher davantage]
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I know you don’t care to discuss issues with me anymore Peter, that’s fine – but your errors and bad assumptions are so profuse, I can’t leave it alone:
The polls show that the single largest group of supporters for legalization/decriminalization is the 55-64 age group – hardly what I would classify as the “youth vote” – in fact it has (I…[En afficher davantage]
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Martin, you have done a great summary on this issue. I fall in the 55-64 group. I don’t smoke cannabis as a habit, because it makes me cough uncontrollably and stink like a skunk. However, it is a very important issue for me because I have seen the damage that cannabis prohibition has caused. Decriminalization doesn’t provide for a legal supply…[En afficher davantage]
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it’s a Liberal government that controls the LCBO. And it’s not my ”word”, it’s the media, the LPC EDA to which i belong, and has been considered for years.
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it’s your nit-picking over trivialites that bothers me most, even more than your pompous insults. so i’ll nit-pick with you.
1. i am not aware of a ”vote” on legalization. if you mean survey, then say so. it’s not going to get the 55-64 year old voters out, they already vote, but it might the youth.
2.66% of Canadians are fari-minded. That…[En afficher davantage]
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hi peter
that’s fair-minded
isn’t it.
marijuans is that marijuana
your spelling is good
but your proof reading
could use a little work.
guess none of us are perfect
eh peter-
only you, gare
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If Peter’s definition of “nit-picking” is to counter unsubstantiated opinion with fact and falsehood with truth, so as to present a balanced discussion, then I am guilty as charged and will continue to do just that.
1. Peter would be correct that, as far as I am aware, there has been no “vote” on legalization (except within the LPC in terms of…[En afficher davantage]
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the only person you’re fooling is yourself.
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Okay, one last time for old time’s sake…like five months ago when your comments to me on this topic were red-flagged. No one is wrong or right when stating an opinion, that is insulting and I don’t appreciate it.
When I say ”nit-picking”, I do it to point out the difficulty those have who use it with being ablle to see the forest for the nits.…[En afficher davantage]
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There, that wasn’t so hard now was it Peter. You actually got through that careful and reasoned explanation of your opinions and only insulted me personally once or twice (and more through innuendo than directly). Well done!
Not to ‘nit-pick’ but just to clarify:
I do not remember any of my comments to being “red-flagged”. I have never had…[En afficher davantage]
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let’s not get too chummy, our ”fans” (meaning ourselves) would be so disappointed. i guess it does take a few nits to clarify the forest. not ready to enter into a co-op grow-op with you though. just trying to keep the forest green and nit free. ;)
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There is a deregulation issue with alcohol that I personally witnessed.
While alcohol sales were banned on Sundays, I was working at a variety store in the city center. One of my tasks was to remove all aftershave from the shelves before opening on Sundays.
After the Sunday sales were permitted we could stock aftershave again without the fear…[En afficher davantage]
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hi john
i have a store here in t.o.a few years ago the corner variety store had the door smashed out and a guy was caught standing in the store on a sunday and he was drinking the aftershave.he didn’t run when the cops arrived just kept drinking
aftershave.he just needed a drink and the lcbo was closed.simple as that.
i agree 100% that…[En afficher davantage]-
I was going back over 30 years, did not realize that this issue was still causing undesired health effects. Thanks for the update.
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yes martin
right on.
take care
gare
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That certainly is a bizarre post. Are we going to insist that anyone who wants to have a beer has to do so in a fenced in dog park? Decriminalization still feeds the criminal coffers. The bulk of the harm from cannabis comes from the laws that make it illegal. It needs to be legalized and regulated like alcohol.
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that’s a bizarre response. do you feel like a dog?
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No, but thanks for offering.
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just my dogged determination to defeat harper. thought you might feel the same way.
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I think I stepped on his twin the last time I was in the dog park. Much like Stephen, he was hard to get out from underfoot.
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i love comedy.
good stuff frank.
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hi frank
that was a good line.
made me giggle.
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right on frank
take care
gare
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What part of legalize do you disagree with?
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john, congratulations, you’ve just won the ”ask a question, get no answer, 4 thumbs up” award.
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I do not forget your nonfunctional bureaucracy comments. It started with the same question.
Let’s not forget, my opinion developed because of it.
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how true john, i guess that’s another reason for congratulations :)
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and i get two thumbsdown for giving an award. what the…
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five! plus my minus 1. i think you’re onto something. the socratic method works!
so, here’s my question for you?
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the part of legalize i disagree with is it hasn’t been done yet.
arf arf arf.
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boy talk about dum,unrealistick dribble.
with all due respect-
the word is dumb, with all due respect.
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hi peter
thank you for pointing that out.
i’ve comeb to realize the sumb of my spelling is dumb.
ho humb.
your friend and secret admirer
gary
oh and peter i do appreciate all the help i get.
take care
i just love liberals—just love em
em is supposed t’ be them.
t’ is supposed t’ be to.
bottom line peter
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that’s kinda ”dum” gare, but i’m wit you on da bottom line. :)
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glad ya got a sense uh humour peter.ya think that was dum.ha ha just wait til i really get started.
save the world—kiss a liberal.
take care
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i’d certainly kiss christy clark, but kathleen wynne wouldn’t have anything to do with me, and as for you…well, maybe a wee hug fully clothed.
you take care too.
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hugs are good
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David Momotiuk posted an update posté il y a 5 mois 3 semaines
#cannabis should be legalized without taxation. The personal regulation of moderation, responsibility and respect is more than enough for any negative aspects to be balanced properly.
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The commercial operations should certainly be taxed.
Also commercial operations should be subject to third party regulation wherby they have to apply to be able to grow it. This would be done to ensure that a black market doesn’t continue to grow, even though it is ”legal”-
What if a Supply Management system were imposed on producers?
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The management of supply would be based upon demand alone.
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I think this will be the wrong approach. It is not like the product would have a short shelf life, like milk and eggs. How do we keep the quota price from inflating if the system ever changes?
With the US possibly changing their system we could end up with similar problems like we have with supply management.
I would think that Health Canada…[En afficher davantage]
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Over regulation solves nothing and creates criminals, expense and corruption. Should we tax people who eat improperly more, people who do not exercise sufficiently more, where do we draw the line, cannabis is just another plant, and like ordinary food can be used sensibly or abused, we do not need more laws, we need more freedom, but maybe with…[En afficher davantage]
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Two questions:
1) Do you agree that it should be regulated? i.e. production, distribution and sale should be controlled? If so and there is no taxation the cost of an ounce of marijuana is likely to fall to the $10 an ounce range. Is that a good thing?
2) If the people using marijuana as a recreational substance are willing to currently pay…[En afficher davantage]
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Abuse and self-control, i believe, has less to do with the product than with the person or the circumstance.
Health care, education, recreation, and budget short falls already have revenue streams so they shouldn’t require yet another one.
Production and distribution costs obviously vary, therefore i would recomend that the price should reflect…[En afficher davantage]
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I’m not sure you understood my point … if marijuana is not taxed the cost will drop to about $10 an ounce – that is the realistic estimate of the cost of farming and distributing marijuana.
Do you think marijuana should be available at $10 an ounce?
Our governments, at all levels, are operating in deficit. Why would we not take advantage of a…[En afficher davantage]
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I am in favour of the price reflecting the actual costs, not consequences or estimates, of production and distribution.
$10 ?? no. $20 ?? yes.
And to answer ur last question (hopefully : )) from my perspective, governments do not need more revenue or more work, they need integrity and reason.
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Martin you hit the nail on the head my friend,the revenues from Marijuana would really impact the deficits we now face federally & provincial.
Smokes,booze etc: are taxed,even our gas is hit,Marijuana would be big revenue earner.
I personally do not use Marijuana but I sure can smell a cash cow!
Liberal Party of Canada must run in 2015 on the…[En afficher davantage]
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Are you suggesting that we use the Eastern European model of alcohol?
I was shocked when a bottle of Vodka was half the price of the same size bottle of coke.
At the end of the day there is only one taxpayer. If alcohol taxes were dropped it would have to be collected by another means.
My question is, if the tax revenue was transferred from…[En afficher davantage]
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No and no.
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OK David, forgive me if I am slow to understand your point.
Are you suggesting that we use the Eastern European model of alcohol?
=> NoIf the tax revenue was transferred from alcohol to a sales tax. Will you view it as a new tax?
=> NoNew Question
Will you view it as a new “tax” if profits collected by a illegitimate parallel government…[En afficher davantage]
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Yes.
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I must admit I am a little confused.
Can you explain how we can move forward without following the Eastern European model of alcohol pricing?
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Which is what, John?
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No or very little taxation on alcohol. The prices could get so low that it could create health issues.
I do not want the general public to become less productive but I would like to see a reasonable approach that does not make criminals out of a large portion of the public if the laws were fully enforced.
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If that logic holds true, would you say that Northern America’s artificially high alcohol prices were a contributing factor to the 2008 recession and is why people here are so very healthy and rarely abuse alcohol? Obviously not, however, whatever. I still think people learn and mature with or without government taxes telling them subliminally…[En afficher davantage]
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I would argue if alcohol prices were greatly reduced we would have had a deeper recession.
Retailers have proven that if they slash prices, they sell more product.
I do not think it is a conscious decision on the part of the consumers. It is not only a question of maturity but also the effect of normal free market forces.
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The question here has 2 main points, should we allow abuse of a substance if enough tax is collected, lotteries included. And 2, should one preference of enjoyment be used to tax more and thus make my hobby pay at a higher tax rate then someone who likes gardening, is the way I spend my after income tax dollar to be used unfairly or should we all…[En afficher davantage]
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I think one line to draw is at what price does the black market have the advantage.
Secondly ”sin” taxes do disproportional effect the poor. Income tax and other tax rebates, I feel is the better place to balance the burden, not the prices at the retail level.
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Jeez, calm down John! It’s just a discussion of possible routes to take if we legalize. Do we regulate? Do we tax? If so, how much?
If you actually bother to read my comment you will see (I’m sure) that nowhere have I proposed a price or a tax level.
All I am saying is that people now are willing and able to pay far more than the actual cost…[En afficher davantage]
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I would like to see the price very close to currant prices
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This comment is aimed particularly at Martin and John Shavluk, not for reasons of favouritism, but because I have carefully followed this issue and have a pretty good understanding of where they stand and respect their various opinions.
I am in agreement with a small “sin tax” for lack of a better word.
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Hi Lloyd, You’re mixing apples and oranges a bit here (or a better comparison might be “sweet” corn and “silo” corn).
The plant Cannabis sativa has over 2000 varieties. Some are good for some things, some for others. The basic difference between “hemp” and “pot” is the level of TCH (Tetrahydrocannabinol ) which is the principal…[En afficher davantage]
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Thank you Martin & John. I appreciate the quick replies.
Lloyd
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The way I see it times are changing,Marijuana will be legalized.I think Martin the ole time politicians,ole time thinking will be a thing of past tense.
I think it’s time for those who cannot get up too speed with LPC modern campaigning should think of new venues in which too explore.
Canada is in-need of new cash flow incentives & I see…[En afficher davantage]
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Although I know it will not happen, the government will see this as an opportunity to get more taxation, I think cannabis should be treated like any other vegetable, farmers will be taxed on the profits of their operations and individuals can grow it in their back yard like any other vegetable. It may be time for some leisure substances to be…[En afficher davantage]
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”some leisure substances to be legal for us to produce without taxation, like home made wine”
I could support this model for personal use but not for sale. I think that this is in line with currant alcohol laws.
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I guess you know that it is illegal to sell home produced eggs, cheese, and making a personal use law negates much of the benefit reducing the cost of chasing so called criminals.
Then again I have not heard of anyone going to jail for selling eggs, and where I live as many eggs are sold by illegal producers as through the marketing board.
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I am not suggesting consumers are criminals. This must change.
I also never heard of an armed and violent struggle to control markets for eggs and cheese and potatoes in Canada. The marketing is vastly different to compare directly.
Potatoes can be turned to vodka. Nothing wrong with that and you cannot sell the vodka. You can compare vodka to…[En afficher davantage]
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I do believe that it is illegal to produce hard liquor in Canada, but I could be wrong. And to me the only difference between potatoes and cannabis is with cannabis one could potentially drive while high and with potatoes not so much, although the derivatives from each is the problem not the plant itself. And I do not believe you can regulate…[En afficher davantage]
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I will openly admit that a tax on retail level does disportionately effect the lower income earners. I believe that tax rebates and other poverty reduction policies are a better way to address this issue.
Potatoes is a food staple, cannabis is not. These two plants have less in common than they do in common.
Having said that, I cannot imagine a…[En afficher davantage]
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It all comes down to, is cannabis a sin, does it cause health problems the rest of us have to pay for, and if so then it should be taxed to cover those costs, if not then it should not be taxed, my prefernces of hobbies should not be taxed more.
That said, all sin taxes should only be directed to the problmes they cause, and not be used as an…[En afficher davantage]
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The way I look at this tax issue:
Organized crime is an illegitimate paralleled government. The hierarchy collects money to enforce compliance and rewards its leaders. They do not put anything into health care for the end user. They already have tested the market and established a price.
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It will have to be subject to regulation. Perhaps Liberals should recommend the creation of a Canadian Weed Board?
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Does your vision have the flexibility for imports, exports, and inter-provincial trade?
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There are plenty of difficult questions related to the legalization of marijuana.
If it is decriminalized – which is what Liberals originally proposed nearly ten years ago – then it basically allows people to have small amounts. It would still be against the law – growers and dealers could be charged criminally – but people in possession would…[En afficher davantage]
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John, I really don’t want to get in argument with you but I do want to point out a few things in your last comment …
As the discussion of taxes is in its early stages, I think it is too early to talk about “if it is ‘swamped’ by sin taxes” – all those of that support taxation are saying is that untaxed, it will be too cheap and that the…[En afficher davantage]
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Don’t be so quick to attack people, John. I think, if you read Mark’s comment carefully (please correct me if I’m wrong Mark) that he supports legalization, regulation and taxation.
He happened to use the word “decriminalization”. You and I understand the “assumed” and very “subtle” difference between these words, but not everyone does.…[En afficher davantage]
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I agree John, decriminalization is just a word – so why attack someone for using it? Especially without explaining the difference between decriminalization and legalization? And now you’re are making up your own meaning …”individual is fined and the cannabis is taken away” – that is how some decriminalization works but certainly not all. This…[En afficher davantage]
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What is the point of all these comments John? Everyone here is in complete agreement that we need to change the current laws because they are unfair and lead to corruption.
Who are you arguing with and about what?
This thread started out as a discussion on whether or not legalized marijuana should be taxed.
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Whatever John. All you have accomplished here is to commandeer yet another thread on cannabis and make it your own personal bully pulpit. We were have a perfectly reasonable discussion about taxation after legalization … and then along comes John with his rants and raves and insults.
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Hi John,
I must agree with Martin on this one. The original discussion was all about the specific nitty-gritty details about decriminalization (I know you don’t like the word but you’ll have to deal with this because the truth is not all Canadian voters are as familiar with the difference as you are) AND regulation (sin tax, revenue generation,…[En afficher davantage]
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Gary Chynne posted an update posté il y a 4 mois 1 semaine
#cannabis Marc emery is a hero.marc is in jail in the u.s. right now.
marc is a criminal just ask the government.
marc is a hero just ask me.
marc stood up to the tyranny of the government.canadian and american.
marc is a hero he stood up to the government so we where allowed the freedom to shop on sundays.
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Marc is not a hero.
However, nobody should go to jail for responsible use of cannabis.
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Frank – I agree, Mr. Emery’s heroism may not be as self-sacrificing as that of some firefighters, police officers, and soldiers who tragically are no longer with us, but if you were suffering from epilepsy, or some other neurological disorder from which you could suffer a lethal seizure, and Mr. Emery’s work had helped you prevent seizure – or…[En afficher davantage]
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I already consider the use of cannabis for medical problems a basic right and the judiicial system has been upholding this.
Mr. Emery unfortunately, only generated a lot of bad publicity.
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Frank, if it’s all only “bad publicity” who is it bad for? He is the one in an American prison now – not all the people who believe he has helped them, buy selling seeds. There must be some belief that someone and something is helpful in order for anyone to be thanked. If doctor’s are unwilling to assist patient’s to obtain medical…[En afficher davantage]
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Hi Alison.
I’m in favour of cannabis being legalized and regulated like alcohol. I don’t think anyone should be even fined for possessing or using responsibly.
I realize it is currently hard to get a doctor to prescribe it and those that did so frequently have been pressured and several of them have been stopped. I am also aware that is is…[En afficher davantage]
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Well Frank, when you say your not in favour of ANYONE mass producing plants or seeds and selling them for millions, your prejudice is showing because there are many farmers who have made millions doing just that – though with different crops in the history of Canada’s economic development. That’s just entrepreneurship, and is pure and simple…[En afficher davantage]
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HI FRANK
I HEARD A SAYING ONCE.IT GOES ANY PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY.OF COURSE THAT IS PHYLOSOPHICAL BUT I UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPLE.THAT IT IS GOOD TO STAY IN THE PUBLICS EYE.YOU CONSIDER MEDICAL MARIJUANA A BASIC RIGHT.
THAT’S NICE FRANK HOWEVER IT IS NOT LEGAL AND IT IS NOT OUR BASIC RIGHT.YOU WILL GO TO JAIL AND BE PROCESSED JUST LIKE A…[En afficher davantage]
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HERO–A PERSON OF EXTRAORDINARY VALOUR,FORTITUDE,OR ENTERPRIZE. THAT’S WHAT MY DICTIONARY SAYS.
VALOUR IT TAKES A LOT OF GUTS TO CHANGE PUBLIC VIEWS AND GO AGAINST THE TIDE OF THE “BIG BOYS.”OF COURSE ROBIN HOOD WAS A CRIMINAL,A REBEL.HE IS ALSO A HERO TO MILLIONS.—THE SPIRIT FRANK.
FORTITUDE.THE MAN HAS HAD THE STRENGTH TO GO TO JAIL FOR HIS…[En afficher davantage]
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Frank Mills posted an update posté il y a 2 mois 4 semaines
Joyce Murray’s Multi-Green Vision For The Liberal Party.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/02/15/joyce-murray-huffington-post-meeting_n_2695232.html #slide=1571199
A great article on Joyce’s policies including cannabis legalization
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hi frank.
i enjoyed the videos.
i find a lot of news on google and u tube also.
just type in marijauna news,or legalize marijauna,or liberal party,or a name like justin trudeau or joyce murray and tons of news is there.
thanks frank
take care
gary
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gary chynne posted an update posté il y a 2 mois 2 semaines
#cannabis high folks.i saw a couple interesting articles this week.i saw a article that said a study had found if a person smokes marijauna with in a couple hours there chance of having a accident doubles.i thought wow thats a lot.then i read on and found if your alcohol level is .08 the legal limit your chance of a accident increases 12…[En afficher davantage]
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Gary Chynne posted an update posté il y a 2 mois 3 semaines
#cannabis high folks.well this week i was watching joyce murray and she gives good reasons to legalize marijuana.joyce is out and out pro legalization.i like joyce she has a lot of good ideas besides marijauana.
george takach is out and out pro legalization.i like george he has also a lot of good ideas besides legalization of marijauana.
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Gary Chynne posted an update posté il y a 2 mois 3 semaines
#cannabis CANADIANS SEEM NOT TO FAVOUR CAPITOL PUNISHMENT.OOOOGH
I GET A FUNNY FEELING IN MY NECK JUST MENTIONING IT.
ANYHOW CHECK THIS OUT.
SAUDI ARABIA,INDONESIA,MALAYSIA,PHILIPPINES,UNITED ARAB EMIRATES.THAILAND,SINGAPORE,AND THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA
ALL HAVE A DEATH SENTENCE FOR MARIJAUNA.
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Gary Chynne posted an update posté il y a 3 mois
#cannabis WELL HERE’S SOME NEWS FOR TODAY.JIMMY CARTER HAS COME OUT AND SAID THE U.S. SHOULD LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.
THE U.S. HAS SPENT A TRILLION DOLLARS IN THE 40 YEARS SINCE NIXON DECLARED WAR ON US.REMEMBER NIXON THE LAWYER LIAR.
MLA KASH HEED IN BC WHO HEADED THE DRUG SQUAD SAYS THE WAR DOESN’T WORK AND IS CALLING FOR LEGALIZATION.
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Justin was being cautious at first, as he is on most issues. However, he has probably realized that the majority of Canadians support legalization so he is feeling more comfortable in expressing his support. I would have preferred him to speak up right from the start, but I will accept him taking this long to do so. Now if he could just come up…[En afficher davantage]
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This topic was recently featured on CBC’s Maritime Noon radio show, and the vast majority of callers agreed (at least in part) with the show’s guest, a law enforcement guy who’s been active in promoting the legalization of ALL drugs. He doesn’t underestimate the damage drugs do; he just sees our current policies and laws as not achieving what…[En afficher davantage]
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HI MARK.YES SOME LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SEE FIRST HAND THAT THE PRESENT POLICY OF WAR ON DRUGS DOES NOT WORK AND THAT LEGALIZATION DOES WORK.IT IS THE OLD PRINCIPLE THAT WHEN THINGS ARE ABOVE GROUND THEY ARE ACCEPTABLE AND CONTROLABLE BUT DRIVE THINGS UNDERGROUND AND THEY ARE NOT CONTROLABLE AND THE RESULTS ARE WORSE.IT IS COMMON SENSE.WE SAW…[En afficher davantage]
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Gary Chynne posted an update posté il y a 3 mois
#cannabis HI FOLKS.THIS WEEK MAYOR GOLDBERG IN NYC DERCRIMINALIZED POT.THEY ARE GOING TO STOP CHARGING PEOPLE WITH SMALL AMOUNTS.
THE MAYOR SAYS MARIJAUANA POSSESSION CHARGES ARE THE MOST WIDELY MADE CHARGE IN NYC.WHO WOULDA THUNK IT.HE SAID IT WAS MOSTLY YOUNG BLACK MALES BEING CHARGED.HMMMM.ANYHOW THE INJUSTICE IS STARTING TO STOP IN NYC.MAYOR…[En afficher davantage]-
Gary: The name of New York City’s mayor is Bloomberg. He did not decriminalized marijuana, just changed the procedure for marijuana possession arrests from being held overnight and arraigned in the morning, to being issued the equivalent of the Canadian Appearance Notice.
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YES PETER.THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THAT FOR ME.
GARY
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Gary Chynne posted an update posté il y a 3 mois 1 semaine
#cannabis justin was asked at western university about marijauna a few days ago.he finally said he would legalize it.that is a big step over a couple months ago when he said it should be decriminalized.he’s realized legalization keeps it out of the hands of kids and is the biggest cash cow the country could find.i saw a article from frazer…[En afficher davantage]
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Frank Mills posted an update posté il y a 4 mois
#cannabis
I have supplied a link to another interesting opinion on cannabis legalization. While I don’t necessarily agree with some of the statements in the opinion, the author, while having negative opinions on cannabis use, still feels that legalization if the preferred route, and I agree.As more of these US articles appear, and states…[En afficher davantage]
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Martin Showell posted a new activity comment posté il y a 4 mois 1 semaine
En réponse à : Emilie Higginson posted an update There’s been a lot of talk abot legalising marijuana. Enough! This already an LPC policy voted on at the convention in Jan. Ithink we have more urgent things to discuss: the […] AfficherIs that MS me? If so please feel free to use my name – in fact if you use @martin-showell I’ll even get an e-mail.
Did you read my comment on this post? I point out that there have been far more posts and comments on #aboriginal than there have been on #cannabis in the past few weeks. In fact #cannabis makes up a very, very small % of the…[En afficher davantage]
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Frank Mills posted an update posté il y a 4 mois 1 semaine
A good article on legalization from the Winnipeg Free Press
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/pot-of-gold-185737032.html
Also, view the results of the poll, 68% in favour.
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