Résultats pour le hashtag #leadership
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John Halonen posted an update posté il y a 2 semaines 6 jours
“The latest voting intentions sounding — done by Harris/Decima for The Canadian Press earlier this week — shows the Conservatives in second place, seven points behind the Liberals and more than 10 points down from their 2011 level”
Trudeau bypasses negative adds with ease, however it is made much easier when
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Martin Showell posted an update posté il y a 4 semaines
#terrorism #policy #leadership
Justin Trudeau said that we should look at the “root causes” of terrorism. I agree.
It seems as if one of the accused in the terrorist plot against a VIA rail train could not be deported from Canada in 2004 because he is a Palestinian and has no “state” to deport him to. It appears that this man’s family has…[En afficher davantage]
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Maryanne Kampouris posted an update posté il y a 1 mois 2 semaines
Dear fellow Liberals,
As a member of your National Executive and a neutral steward of the Party, I have been observing the #leadership discourse and I now must engage with you on this topic. I will first disclose that I am not working for any leadership candidate, that I have not yet decided on my vote, and that when all is said and done, no…[En afficher davantage]
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Ahhh… the Welcome Voice of Reason. Well stated Maryanne.
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Thanks, I think the majority of us have taken the high road.
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Great message Maryanne, thanks for posting and being here with us!
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Andre, Maybe we should hash tag Maryannes’s post (or a similar message) and when the Liberal community.ca “community”, think, someone has step over the ” sites ethics” line, we can just direct them to that hash tag. If a poster got, a few referrals, they might review there commenting style.
To be honest, I think, sometimes, one needs a…[En afficher davantage]
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Thanks Maryanne for the reminder.
Not sure a stern warning, is going to do it. IMO, if the system isn’t working, you need to look at, why it isn’t.
Very, wise decision, “not” to shut down the site. I will leave at that!Firstly, The Liberal.ca/community site, with its, running post, latest posts, going up to the top, IMO, feeds the posters…[En afficher davantage]
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Commenting to bump this to the top.
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Thank you for this. Certain posters on here do make it very uncomfortable for others who have differing opinions. Hopefully those posters read your post and modify their behaviour. This forum should encourage debate not become a soapbox for those with an agenda.
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Thank you Maryanne! Well said, and necessary.
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Maryanne, I very much appreciate your message.
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See #Liberal.ca ”Code of Ethics”
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Douglas Brydges posted a new activity comment posté il y a 1 mois 2 semaines
En réponse à : John Langenecker posted an update #leadershiprace Great speeches from all of the candidates. This ballot is going to need some thoughtful review. Afficher#showcase #leadership
All in all a good event. The room was filled. The show went off without a serious hitch. Excellent tribute to Bob Rae … tears flowed for more than a few present.Without a doubt, Justin hit a home run with his speech. Super video intro. Everyone in the room listened intently between the applause. Deb Coyne and Karen…[En afficher davantage]
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Brian Lessard posted an update posté il y a 2 mois
#leadership What’s Joyce doing now? Her job of course: MP Joyce Murray leads the Liberal Party in Question Period
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I liked her style. Wish she would speak up more in the house.
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Good clip to review before the voting begins.
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Roger Palfree posted an update posté il y a 1 mois 3 semaines
#leadership The trouble with Trudeau was summed up well by Don Macpherson in the Montreal Gazette http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/Macpherson+Justin+Trudeau+leadership+race+will+blur/8160246/story.html the other day.
I am still hopeful that the supporters who have registered to vote realize their responsibility, look past the…[En afficher davantage]
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A typical excuse I hear often from JT supporters on different forums is “the reason Justin doesn’t release a full platform is because he doesn’t have to – platforms are only released during election time”. It is probably a part of the answer, but did it ever occur to you that likely the biggest part of the answer is that he simply doesn’t…[En afficher davantage]
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your opinions rarely seem humble, but are attacks with prejudiced assumptions.
party platforms are part of which the party goes into an election, he’s merely stating the obvious. it will be two years until that happens, and things change rapidly. why box into a platform now, when it’s subject to both change and is vulnerable to opposing…[En afficher davantage]
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Yeah, these are the JT talking points I was talking about.
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A pathetic excuse for the lack of a coherent vision on the part of JT, if you ask me. He is basically saying he is afraid of conservative attack ads. How principled and inspiring. Why Joyce Murray is not afraid to present her vision in its entirety, down to a complete set of specific policies?
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murray should apologize to the LPC for her “vision” of cooperation, it’s a failure.
and although I like her sustainable economy/ environment vision, endorsed by david Suzuki and the Green Party, it seems to be out of touch with the need for growing the economy and producing jobs. I personally like a zero-growth approach, but as a vision it is…[En afficher davantage]
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If you think the Joyce’ vision is about cooperation, you don’t know anything about her. Cooperation for her is just technical means to achieve her vision. I urge you to check her platform, at http://theplan.joycemurray.ca/ .
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oh, you mean her ”talking points”?
yes, cooperation was part of her vision to defeat harper…unfortunately she must have cataracts because it was blurred.
I’ve read her ”platform=policies”, and I’ve already said I agree with her on environment/economy, and perhaps she can be persuasive enough to advise the new leader accordingly.
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I guess we should agree to disagree :)
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heads I win, tails you lose? ;)
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I like Joyce, but not as a first choice. I like her strong environmental conscience, but her idea of cooperation with NDP, while logical in an ideal system, is not workable, seems naiive, and makes her look weak in our political climate.
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Peter Milliken endorsed Joyce’ idea of pre-electoral cooperation, and I have so much respect for the man.
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we agree there for sure.
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Cooperation appeals to the general public more than partisans. The goal of cooperation is PR- representative and accountable government.
It does not matter if NDP will not. cooperate. Who do you think that Canadians will line up behind…someone who is willing to roll up their shirtsleeves and collaborate with other MPs in government for the…[En afficher davantage]
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Oh stop with the Trudeau did not release a platform. He raised many issues and spoke on many issues, PLUS indicated that he will be asking the MEMBERSHIP for their choice of policies for the Liberal party. Better than a top down dictator leader that Murray would be. Plus JT is strong on environmental issues as JM is.
And that is another reason I…[En afficher davantage]
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There is a time and place for everything. Timing is important. What you think you see now can be easily mis-intepreted. One of several strategies in gaining ‘power’ is concealing your intentions … keeping people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions until the timing is right.
If your opponents have no…[En afficher davantage]
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So much for the ”new way of doing politics” promised by JT. Same old, same old.
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”keeping people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions until the timing is right” Well, I’d have difficulty voting for such a person. I would not know if whatever s/he’ll do maybe contrary to my principles.
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garneau supports trudeau because he knows he can revive faltering LPC hopes. I too have looked at all the candidates, I hope intelligently, and think trudeau is the only one who can lead the party out of the third-party status wilderness. he may not be the most experienced, developed or even the most intelligent, but was harper?
who do you…[En afficher davantage]
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Does he? Or more likely he was asked to step down and send his supporters to JT at exactly the time when JM showed a lot of momentum.
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You are getting nasty Sergiy suggesting that Garneau was asked to step down.
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Ah, a conspiracy theory!
Another take is that Garneau felt his leadership bid was futile (in effect that is what he said), but that backing who he thought would be the winner would place him well for significant participation in post election inner circle.
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I agree – it is likely just a conspiracy theory. I like MG (I met him in person; he gave a talk on our campus), if JM wasn’t there he’d probably be my first choice. But you should agree – both the timing of MG dropping off and him endorsing the man he was so critical of didn’t look right. He was asking for conspiracy theories! :)
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That is what I fear most. Leading Liberals out of third party wilderness is a short-term goal. They should be more concerned about long-term survival and what’s best for all Canadians. I believe that is PR. Collaboration and cooperation is what is needed.
I heard JM speak again the other night. Her understanding of what makes Canadian…[En afficher davantage]
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Great summary, Patricia!
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well, I hope you heard her on cbc radio this morning, on “the house”. she was with motor mouth Elizabeth May. and the two of them hanigng together could not match the NDP’s Megan Leslie forceful arguments as to why cooperation is doomed and so would be democracy. you have to get elected to make electoral reforms, and we may well have blown an…[En afficher davantage]
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No I did not hear the program. I will try and track it down. Thanks for the tip.
Coalitions work just fine. You cannot compare them to the minority dictatorship we currently have.
PR will ensure the survival of the LPC. It is silly to suggest that anyone does not care about the LPC just because they support PR. …[En afficher davantage]
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coalitions work just fine do they? in Canada? no they don’t. mergers seem to, and that’s not going to happen unless the LPC stays as a third party after 2015. maybe that’s what you’re truly after…Sergiy,George, you and …let’s see…nobody else!
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I am not interested in a merger. The LPC is quite distinct form any other party in Canada. The public is not interested in a merger either. And we are not about to let Harper continue ruining this country after the next election.
The problem with you is that you believe too much neocon propaganda. What works in Canada is about to change.
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Canada believed neocon propaganda in the last election, not I patricia. the problem with you is that you think the LPC can’t win the country alone, so who’s the real neocon listener here?
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Given that CPC has solid 30% support, even with Trudeau etc etc, I can see only two possible paths: either opposition cooperate, and we get PR reform, so all parties survive as independent entities (I also think this will cause breakup of CPC into Reform and PC), or Liberals will be forced to merge with NDP. (As advocated by Chretien etc.) So…[En afficher davantage]
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where do I start.
we are already a polarized country with many parties on the centre-left and one party on the centre-right. we could merge and be sub-merged into the ndp and win the election, perhaps. or we could re-gain opposition party status, at the least, as the LPC and have the NDP knocking on our door. I say go with a winner, not on a…[En afficher davantage]
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Thanks Peter. The CBC program was excellent. I’ve posted the links to it elsewhere. I was so glad to hear how strongly Meghan Leslie was supporting PR. I had heard that it was a verboten subject in the NDP caucus. Her argument against cooperation was that the NDP did not have a mandate to pursue it. So? Elizabeth May clearly does. And JM…[En afficher davantage]
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her argument was that it was undemocratic, and that their candidate in Labrador has a strong chance of winning the by-election. PR will come eventually, but not this way and not through JM. you shouldn’t distort what megan leslie said, and she was up against two cooperators. now here’s a thought, why not have the liberal candidate “step…[En afficher davantage]
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Here is the discussion. Go to 19:15
http://www.cbc.ca/thehouse/2013/03/30/new-aboriginal-affairs-minister-cautions-changes-take-time/
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Patricia, Sergiy I guess we are arguing in circles and we are not gong to win the JM and or cooperation and/or PR representation on our side. A friend of mine was saying that people are hard wired to think in the ‘left’ or ‘right’ way. Maybe this is true for other dichotomies. The only hope is that undecided ones my find our logical and long…[En afficher davantage]
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now it’s your ”logic” is it? talk about hardwired!
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George,
I received this from John Deverell:
”Internet organizers Leadnow and Avaaz have supplied Murray with some 60,000 supporters, there are more from the David Suzuki and FVC web networks, and more than 70 per cent of them are registered to vote between April 6 and April 14.”
We are still in the game. I’m going fundraising today. Happy Easter!
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Great numbers! I think it is time now for JM to start acting as a front runner. I suggested on her FB page that she probably should present now her plan for the party for her first 100 days as the leader. Otherwise she might have created an impression that she has too much emphasis on 2015 and beyond, whereas the party is facing the difficult task…[En afficher davantage]
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not a chance. don’t bother giving out easter eggs as you campaign.
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Macpherson has an opinion? So we should reject one of the candidates?
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You could have a person with a perfect grasp of the issues and a terrific public speaker but that person still might not resonate with the voting public. JT has caught the attention of the public in a positive way. He will induce younger people to vote. It strikes me that he will listen to counsel while not succumbing to BS, I don’t see him as…[En afficher davantage]
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All the data I’ve seen doesn’t support the notion that JT resonates very well with young people. I’ve seen multiple opinion polls, plus the data you can gather on Facebook (see my another post) which all points to the bulk of JT support coming from older generation (baby boomers). I suspect JT does attract lots of youngsters, but in a purely…[En afficher davantage]
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nonsense. i’m a baby boomer. he does appeal to youth, who traditionally don’t vote…if he can get them off their collective butts, plus appeal to die-hard liberals like myself, and those who are discouraged with harperconism, he’s a much better candidate.
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On the Agenda last night, there was a panel that included Kevin Page. There was a discussion of the complexity of government and how difficult it was for MPs to grasp the issues, much less understand them well enough to make effective contributions. They said that parties used to have experts that could brief MPs and help them understand issues…[En afficher davantage]
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your comparison with chretien is ludicrous. he was a lawyer who served in federal politics forever, including a major run as minister of indian and northern affairs, and finance minister. he became prime minister at the height of liberal fortunes. and although it is wryly said he couldn’t speak either official language, he was as popular with…[En afficher davantage]
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JM’s qualifications differ I grant you. But I think different skills are needed right now. JM has successfully grown an Independent Canadian business from scratch to an international company with hundreds of employees. Some would consider that quite remarkable.
She has strong environmental credentials and has been a cabinet minister. She…[En afficher davantage]
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was she reading Thoreau?
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I doubt it. The transcendental powers of the northern Canadian woods are well known. If you have never left the city, you do not know the best of Canada.
Time to put away my x-country skiis. I’m paddling the Credit River next week!
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I love the north, and have paddled algonquin park for years. i’m still a city boy though, love that too. Canada offers the best of both.
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dave! I like that!! and jt’s passion!!!
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I have been struggling with a choice as well.
Much easier to eliminate choices in this Leadership than to get behind any.JT sealed the No-deal when he was given the privilege of responding to the Budget and had ZERO intelligent commentary; he is definitely his mother’s son – not his fathers. No Policy, No Plan, No substance – no thanks.
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hope you’re wrong. cauchon struggles in English and mhf remings me of gerard kennedy…both vey admirable but yesterday’s politicians.
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I do not know how you can compare MHF and GK. I recently campaigned for GK and he is definitely on the left side of the LPC spetcrum. MHF is neocon-lite.
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all I said is that they are both yesterdays politicians…going, going, gone. I truly admire gerard, and voted for him, but kathleen wynne has turned out to be very collaborative and extremely shrewd, and was a great choice…stopping hudak will be her greatest accomplishment.
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@Gregory: You say Joyce Murray has no clue how democracy in Canada works! That’s rather odd considering that the Hon. Peter Milliken, former speaker of the House of Commons and one of Canada’s most distinguished authorities on parliamentary democracy has endorsed Joyce http://www.joycemurray.ca/endorsements and in his endorsement says “I have…[En afficher davantage]
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it’s actually not clear from what you’ve posted that Milliken has endorsed anyone in particular…he likes small-c cooperation, and who doesn’t. she might make a decent environment minister, although, it must be noted, she hasn’t been elected federally. she seems most popular in a province that is facing liberal party decline, and whose…[En afficher davantage]
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Check the Joyce’ FB page: she met Peter Millikan during her visit to Kingston a couple of days ago (she posted some photos of her with Peter), and exactly at that time Peter released his pro-cooperation statement. You can spin it any way you want, but Peter endorsed Joyce all-but-in-name.
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all-but-in-name, why was that do you think. want to see pics of Milliken with other candidates? it’s your spin, when you said he endorsed her, not mine.
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JT also refused to talk to the Toronto Editorial Board and a number of publications that requested interviews.
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There is no “Toronto Editorial Board”. If you’re referring to the “Toronto Star”, Toronto Star Publisher John Cruickshank conducted a one-on-one interview with Justin Trudeau at a sold-out (500 seats) Toronto Empire Club luncheon (at the Royal York) last Wednesday (March 27).
The Inteview video:…[En afficher davantage]
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after watching the video (even from the venue of the, pip- pip i’m british and bay street, empire club) doesn’t look like he’s “refusing to talk” to anyone but is encouraging open positive engaging politics everywhere he can. I especially liked his reference to an LPC that is “not driven by a single polarized issue”, I think we can all…[En afficher davantage]
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Emilie Kitteringham posted an update posté il y a 2 mois 1 semaine
#leadership (64) – And why cooperation will not work. And why I am not voting for Joyce Murray.
Imagine that Murray emerges as Liberal leader. Now, imagine that the NDP has a sudden change of heart and decides that it will go along with her “one-time electoral pact,” after all. Who wins in 2015?
Answer: Stephen Harper. In this scenario, the…[En afficher davantage]
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I think that we are in place we are, squeezed between CPC and NDP, because we forgot what we are standing for and to fight for it. We thought that our liberal values shared by all is an electoral success in itself. As a result voters moved toward better defined visions. We need to move from general, benevolent positive remarks about ourselves and…[En afficher davantage]
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Our liberal values are shared by a majority of the voter and that has been verified by polls. (if you want to accept polls) The reason we slipped into third place is because we elected leaders who were not Liberal as the voter thinks Liberals should be. That is not to say that Stephan Dion and Ignatieff are not wonderful people, they are and so…[En afficher davantage]
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proportional representation is an absurd violation of Representative Democracy and unconstitutional.
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okay – someone gave me a thumbs down without comment…and although i explain all of this in another area;
what is rational about assigning, for example, Communist votes in BC to representation of people in Nova Scotia? PR proposes to do that.
In 2008 the Bloc received about 10% of the popular vote in Canada (of ballots cast) but 38% of the…[En afficher davantage]
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Here’s my thumbs up and I agree that I just want to vote for the candidate of MY choice in my riding and if he/she wins…. great. If not I will accept the candidate that received the most votes as my representative for my riding. But I sure don’t want votes or candidates from another riding being dropped into my riding.
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Thanks Emilie;
i will also point out that with 62% of Canada’s population in Ontario and Quebec such that proportional representation is defacto unproportional
In 2011 almost 20% voted for the Green party in Yukon, yet the GPC national number was about 4%. How proportionally represented do you think they would feel under PR?
Please do always…[En afficher davantage]
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You’re welcome Gregory
And with 4% of the national vote, only one seat – under PR the Green party would expect to be awarded 4% or 12-13 ridings. Now just who’s riding will lose their elected candidate and have a Green candidate injected?
Come on peoples think about this. Of course if you advocate for Greens, you don’t care. You have 13 MPs…[En afficher davantage]
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Being represented by a riding winner who got not more than potentially (100%/nr of parties + 1) votes seems much more undemocratic than being represented by my party caucus representing the popularity of the party at the national level. So even if my party loses my riding, my values are still represented in force in Ottawa. FPP is a model which…[En afficher davantage]
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Patricia Xxxxxxxxxxx posted an update posté il y a 2 mois 1 semaine
#registration #leadership #leadershiprace
Voter registration has been extended to March 21. Apparently only 1/3 of supporters have been registered.
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Patricia, did you delete your earlier post with my comment?
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You objected to it. I removed it. Now, you want to argue about that. Sheesh!
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Bravo, Patricia. Your combined assets – intelligence, insight, and communication skills – are second to none. I would assume that you’re sharing your ideas with JM and her team? The action that you and I and so many others support, is action whose time has come. Thank you for elucidating so very well. On behalf of our grandchildren who have…[En afficher davantage]
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Debbie, thank-you for the very kind words. I’m blushing. Are you sure that you have the right person? Anyway, we seem to be on the same team. Yes, we do need to fix the democratic deficit in Canada – which either creates or permits so many other problems. We certainly do not want to ravage the blessings that Canada bestows on us at the…[En afficher davantage]
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David Momotiuk posted a new activity comment posté il y a 2 mois 1 semaine
En réponse à : Sergiy Mashchenko posted an update You know why I chose to support Joyce Murray? No, not because of her co-operation plan, or her other individual policy proposals. I chose her because she is the only leadership […] AfficherThe ‘middle’ is only a bulls’ eye target that is sure to be found. Even a half-wit knows that.
We need #leadership
Societies based upon class are sure to fail. The ‘Enlightenment’ has shown us that.
Martin, if you, Trudeau, Harper and others insist on bringing Canada back to the ‘middle-ages,’ or for that matter the industrial or agricultural…[En afficher davantage]
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Panagiota (Pat) Papadeas posted an update posté il y a 2 mois 1 semaine
#registration #leadership #leadershiprace
So. I recall that when the Step 2 “registration” step was introduced we were told that the purpose of putting this into the process was to ensure that all those issued a (virtual) ballot were in fact “human beings”.
It is quite apparent that this “centralized” process, particularly within the…[En afficher davantage]
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Good point. Did we put enough thought into this? Apparently we have signed up over a 100,000 people without email address…how is that possible in this day and age? And the weighting makes getting to people in smaller remoter ridings doubly important. Could not some thought have gone into this? It is ironic that the old fashioned follow up…[En afficher davantage]
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Hi Pat:
As President of your riding association, have you approved a few of your directors (including yourself) as Level 3 Liberalist Users yet? If you have, then you should be able to use Liberalist to contact members and supporters in your riding by email or telephone (for those that have them) and remind them to register, where to register,…[En afficher davantage]-
Hello Doug,
We have both called and emailed (as appropriate) and we have over 800 supporters.
The issue is not just this. There are many people with issues: did not receive an email or did not receive a registration number in the mail. As I said, my husband is an example – the issue isn’t my ability to contact him. He did not receive an…[En afficher davantage]
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Douglas Brydges posted a new activity comment posté il y a 2 mois 1 semaine
En réponse à : Panagiota (Pat) Papadeas posted an update #registration #leadership #leadershiprace So. I recall that when the Step 2 ”registration” step was introduced we were told that the purpose of putting this into the […] AfficherHi Pat:
As President of your riding association, have you approved a few of your directors (including yourself) as Level 3 Liberalist Users yet? If you have, then you should be able to use Liberalist to contact members and supporters in your riding by email or telephone (for those that have them) and remind them to register, where to register,…[En afficher davantage] -
Ken Cunningham posted an update posté il y a 4 mois 2 semaines
#leadership race http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/48181/conservatives-and-new-democrats-remain-practically-even-in-canada/
JTrudeaumania was supposed to have fizzled by now. Quite fascinating how it hasn’t, Is it him, or the legacy of respect for his dad? Or is it both?
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I think it is a combo platter.
He doesn’t seem to be afraid of what the cons will throw at him. This makes him appealing to many voters but it also makes some feel he is being reckless.
Until the debates start I will not put my support behind any candidate. Just don’t have enough info to make such an important decision yet.
The only…[En afficher davantage]
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Effectively that means Marc Garneau or Justin Trudeau – both have their own celebrity star status (one is an astronaut, the other a rock star of sorts). I don’t think any other candidate is sitting in the house. And I agree, that if we have a leader without a seat, the Harper war machine will spend $$$s to keep them out. WIth the amount of cash…[En afficher davantage]
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I was realy hoping LeBlanc, Brison or even Groff Regan would run.
It looks like the next leader will be from Quebec or Ontario. This is the same as in the past. Don’t think we ever had a leader from the rest of the country.
Let’s get it right this time. Vote for who you believe is the best person for the job. She/he may not be the most obvious…[En afficher davantage]-
I was hoping the new category would attract a new face from outside the party…someone like Nenshi. The supporter’s category has been a disappointment in that respect. However it does allow for a much wider public involvement in choosing or vetting the new leader, which considering the last couple of choices[ no offense to messrs Dion,…[En afficher davantage]
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Yes, Joyce Murray is a westerner. She is also the person advocating for co-operation with the NDP and Green Party. This will not go over well with a large percentage of liberals. I think she is sunk before she even begins. I am a liberal and I will only vote liberal.
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Great insight, Ken.
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Not only is Joyce a sitting member of the house but is also a westerner who will definitely take B.C. and quite probably put a significant dent in the Conservative base in Alberta as well.
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John Turner … BC
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Mary,
Remember that when we did have a new Leader in the House – Michael Ignatieff – he chose to spend quite a bit of time outside the House attempting to build the Party. The Party won’t renew itself by virtue of having our new Leader in the Commons. In fact, Harper has made Parliament irrelevant. If, as Pierre Trudeau said, Opposition members…[En afficher davantage]-
Roy:
I never though Michael Ignatieff did very much to renew the party by coming out to the EDAs. You will remember the “Liberal Express”. He did not allow any questions in any visits he made to our area. He spoke well but would make his pitch then head for the bus.I think we would be far better to use the internet to strengthen the party…[En afficher davantage]
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My point, Michael, was simply to observe that just because our new Leader may be a Member of Parliament doesn’t mean that the Leader will feel a compulsion to spend a lot of time in the House. That wasn’t Iggy’s approach and I doubt that it would be the approach of any of the candidates who are currently MPs.
If I recall correctly, Justin,…[En afficher davantage]
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Roy:
I totally understand the angle about getting out to campaign for the Leadership. And I agree that Parliament is just becoming a put down contest.But the angle of departing from the hill to build the party has questionable merit unless the leader is actually going to talk to us in a two way manner.
From what I can gather from the comments…[En afficher davantage]
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I’m sympathetic with your observations about the national office, Michael. You may remember that there was quite a push last year for EDAs to produce strategic plans and get them in to Metcalfe Street. Our EDA felt that the activity-based approach suggested wasn’t actually a “strategic” plan and so we worked up a genuine strategic plan over many…[En afficher davantage]
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Roy:
You would think a letter of acknowledgement would not be too much but it is.Its not just the National Office, it applies to members of the Shadow Cabinet as well.
Its a basic courtesy and they can’t handle it.
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When is the first day in which we can actually cast our online ballot?
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Dennis…April 6…Roy
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Ken:
I think it is much too early to start making predictions. For sure JT will get a big portion of the female vote and the young vote of people who traditionally vote Liberal.But to get 42% of the popular vote, he will need a lot more than good hair and a bright smile.
Justin still doesn’t have a platform. He can’t tell people in a…[En afficher davantage]
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Michael, that is an extremely shallow reading of him. Listen to yourself, effectively peddling the conbot line on Trudeau – why not go all the way and refer to him as “shiny poney” too? There’s no break down of his support # so you are simply projecting your own bias…which i might add is pretty insulting to female voters. I’ve heard this…[En afficher davantage]
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I’m sorry to report that I browsed Justin.ca website and haven’t find any political platform. The site is rather limited in its content comparing to some other leadership candidates. It’s rather strange that we, as Liberals, seems to be shifting towards personal criticism of those who dare to present opinions different from ours own.
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I sent you a reply but it seems to have not arrived.
Perhaps i was over the top, but Michael has a bit of a habit of these shoot from the hip judgements. I don’t dispute the lack of a plaform [ does anyone else have one?] but i do have a problem with the cracks about nice hair and all the crap that goes with it. I have zero problem with informed…[En afficher davantage] -
Hi Jarek:
Justin does not appear to have a very good web manager because I agree with you his web site contains almost nothing about his platform.I have found 2 links however that are very good and enhanced my views for Justin.
See Even Solomon TV Interview and
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Ken:
I have gone to his web site already. I find that he supports the Nexen sale to CNOOC. And he has made a nice speech to the Islamic Spirit convention.What am I missing?
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Nothing i suppose. To be clear i don’t take issue with him not having a platform.
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Ken: I provided that link earlier in this blog. He was asked these questions and the link provided the details.
But in searching for that link I found this one Justin Trudeau interview with Evan Solomon and I must admit I was impressed.
This is the first hard interview I have seen and I thought he handled it quite well,
Apparently he has done…[En afficher davantage]
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Fair enough Michael . The other interview was also with Solomon on the House at CBC. He”s also done an interview or two with Macleans. My only real point was to show how the polls are promising for him, especially since most of the media said he would flop.
I must compliment you on your good humour Michael . You”be had a lot of criticism on…[En afficher davantage]-
Hi Ken:
I will look up the other interviews tomorrow.
My main criticism has come from one person who I choose to ignore.
I understand his motivations which are totally selfish.
That’s his problem not mine.
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I invested the 16 minutes to watch it. I still don`t like his idea that we need fighter jets, and should sell our natural resource companies. I will give him credit for the response on voter suppression, the Islamic Convention and middle east. I like what he said about the middle class but he is wrong if he thinks education solves everything. As…[En afficher davantage]
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Frank:
I did not get the impression that he was preferring fighter jets. I thought he said that we should have discussions with both the Air Force and the Navy before deciding.I do agree with you about the Nexen deal. I don’t really care whether it is state owned or private. We are not short of capital in Canada and we already have the…[En afficher davantage]
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here’s what one prominent Liberal had to say about Justin’s policy. Scary stuff. http://www.therecord.com/opinion/columns/article/896248–liberals-need-to-be-cautious-in-picking-their-messiah
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Ken,
I entirely agree with you that comments of the “Shiny Pony” type are not an appropriate way to express concerns regarding Justin’s ability to lead. There are plenty of other ways/reasons to do that.I can understand why the comments come up again and again, however. It’s because, so far, the Justin campaign has been largely policy-free. …[En afficher davantage]
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Shiny pony was a believe thought up by Ezra and the so called media at sun tv…it is completely inappropriate. But as far as know Justin himself is shrugging this stuff off – it is just disappointing for liberals to go anywhere near there. [ actually the crack about female voters incensed me the most]
I’m not sure i agree with his decision to…[En afficher davantage]
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One option is for Mr. Trudeau if he becomes leader to coopt much of Mr. Garneau’s platform, if he is elected and make it appear as if he is the kind of guy who listens to wise advice when he reads it! I read a lot of what Mr. Garneau wrote on his Facebook page….and it all sounded quite good to me!!
If our party did decide to print up Liberal…[En afficher davantage]
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I am providing some links Marc Garneau’s material.
Marc Garneau’s message
Marc Garneau’s Facebook page”
Globe&Mail: How we can act now to invest in young CanadiansHe proposes general tax reductions and typically these don’t stimulate teh economy. But his payroll tax reduction on hiring young people is good but he doesn’t mention how he…[En afficher davantage]
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Thanks Michael! Hey it is great to see that you yourself commented on some of his posts!
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That`s wonderful. It sounds like Justin will lead us to another resounding defeat.
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Obviously not a popular comment but if you look at the poll it shows Justin leading the Liberal leadership and the Liberals in 3rd place.
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Are we talking about this poll results:
Under Trudeau, the Liberals would shoot up to 42% support among decided voters, compared to 26% for the Cons and 19% for the NDP. That would be a fairly easy majority for the Liberals.Under Garneau, the Liberals would be third, but competitive a 24%, compared to 32% for the Cons and 27% for the NDP. With…[En afficher davantage]
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Why would you think I was talking about that poll ?
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Just wanted to make sure we are on the same wavelength :-). This is the poll Ken started this topic with.
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No, I was looking at the poll on the site with the interview. I certainly wouldn’t complain about the one you posted.
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Jarek:
The scary thing is people have preferences when most of the candidates including JT are relatively unknown.Most candidates have web sites that say very little and they is very little published on these people.
I think if the poll had included a question “How did you come to this preference?” we would have heard very little about their…[En afficher davantage]
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I guess this is a paradox of a democracy – it gives a right to vote to everyone without any consideration for the ability of the voter to make an informed decision. As history taught us, the best manipulator of perception and masses can be elected to the highest position.
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Jarek:
Your views about money controlling elections has typically applied more (in my view) in the US rather than Canada.But with the Romney route in the US, maybe things are changing down there.
Another sign of hope is the hearings on the Northern Gateway. In spite of the millions the oil companies have spent to influence the Conservative…[En afficher davantage]
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Michael,
If we want to encourage candidates to talk about issues and put out policy positions for discussion and debate, I think we need to give credit to those candidates who do that.Deborah Coyne’s site http://www.deborahcoyne.ca has page after page of thoughtful policy outlines supporting her vision for a new Canada. It’s well worth a look.
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Roy:
Yes, I really like Deborah’s platform.I am a Global Warming nut and I believe that she is the only candidate who is advocating a Carbon Tax (which I heartily agree with).
It would be good if she had some words on how she would balance the budget. This aspect is missing from a number of the candidates platforms.
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Roy, I think you might be referring to Joyce Murray’s platform. She is not only advocating a carbon tax but the industries involved expect it will happen and have already built it in to future projections.
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Some pretty nifty spin there Jarek :)
But you might want to keep in mind the most salient[ and frankly astonishing] point; how having JT as leader is so far moving the numbers big time. That can change for all the reasons you cite, but no one expected this when he threw his hat in the ring. Let’s give him a little credit eh!
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What is this fixation with polls…..are we seriously going to elect someone on the basis of how he does in the polls. Polls are often way off base and a poll done today hardly indicates what will happen tomorrow or in this case a couple of years down the road. We should be electing someone on the basis of their platform. Does that platform…[En afficher davantage]
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I don’t think there is any fixation with polls but we do need to pay attention to current polls and understand how polling went in the past, particularly prior to leadership elections, and how that translated to seats.
The platform is important but if we don’t end up with any power, the platform isn’t implemented.
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Charisma will go a long way to win elections, did Harper have it, we need to know what we are voting for a way ahead of Charisma. JT scares me with his views of our oil industry, selling out, Jets, and all the policies he will not openly support, but maybe many of the others who have elaborate web sites do not do much more then state facts with…[En afficher davantage]
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Ken: (re. what is it about JT that keeps ‘em coming) In the last election a majority of voters identified with LPC policies but were so naive they could not identify whose policies they were. That cannot explain the rout of LPC. The mainstream media characterized LPC leadership as as losers and Harper as a winner with people who create jobs.…[En afficher davantage]
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Mary, I hope you will be happy being Liberal when the LPC ha ceased to exist because they put their egos and dreams of prior glory over the real concerns of Canadiansss
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Hugh
Of course, you overlook Joyce Murray who has held a seat in BC since 2006. Prior to that she was a cabinet minister from 2001-2005 in the BC government as Minister of Water, Land and Air Protection and Minister of Management Services. She IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL CANDIDATE.
Prior to politics, Joyce and her husband built a reforestation…[En afficher davantage]
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Joyce Murray is a seasoned candidate with experience as a cabinet minister and a successful career as a businesswoman. She has clear policies and a track record as an environmentalist. She also has the guts to understand that Canada needs electoral reform. Quite possibly, the LPC will disappear if it places all its hopes on Trudeau. His time…[En afficher davantage]
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Or, to rule out the most experienced candidate that is sitting in the House, Joyce Murray.
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Mike, It is hard for JT to come up with policy with only 7-8 years of total work experience – 5 of those sitting on an opposition bench as critic for youth. His main achievement to date is Katimavik – which most Canadians have never heard of and has now disappeared.
He has lots of youthful exuberance and will make a great leader someday. But…[En afficher davantage]
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I have to correct you Patricia. JT’s main achievement is not Katimivik. It was his Dad that founded the program which was expensive but very worthwhile. The program changed a lot of kids lives for the better while assisting communities across the country. The program while under Justin’s watch was reduced to basically a shadow of what it once…[En afficher davantage]
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I remember hearing about Katimavik when I was in university 40 years ago. I guess I was digging to say something nice about Justin. I service very wealthy clients. Great wealth destroys their children. I imagine fame and wealth are a lethal combination. If these children are naturally sensitive and conscientious, as I believe Justin is, they…[En afficher davantage]
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Ken
I have visited JT’s website and followed him for years – there is little there to suggest he is anywhere ready to be a party leader. In fact, the ONLY thing that I seem to hear is that middle-aged women love him and he will bring the LPC back to power.
Well, middle-aged women may create a fuss when nothing is at stake. But come voting…[En afficher davantage]
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And another 4-5 years of Harper!
We need an experienced, solid candidate like Joyce Murray who will bring in electoral reform and give the LPC time to rebuild – and time for JT to mature.
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Justin only got 38% of the votes in his own riding in 2011.
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Joyce is a westerner with deep political experience – as a cabinet minister as well.
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38% is bad? What about 36% Joyce got in 2008 when first elected? The last election results were better as she got 42%.
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We need parliamentary reform as well as electoral reform. To his credit, JT is proposing some parliamentary reforms- though nothing specific enough to hold him to them later.
I came across a blog today that is an absolute goldmine on parliamentary reform. Seems the British are way ahead of us on that score. I am no fan of PM David Cameron but…[En afficher davantage]
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Joyce Murray has held John Turner’s seat in Quadra since 2008. Before then, Joyce was a cabinet minister in BC and headed up a very successful reforestation company. Joyce is the ENVIRONMENTAL candidate.
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When you look at the decline in political contributions to the LPC over the years, you can understand that there has to have been deep cuts in the back office. The lack of response shows that.
http://www.punditsguide.ca/finances/
In 2008, the NDP and Greens brought in $7 million compared to the Liberals $5.8 million. The Cons brought in…[En afficher davantage]
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Mike: Joyce Murray has policies and deep political experience. As Minister of Water, Land and Air Protection in BC, Joyce laid the groundwork for the carbon tax as well as many other environmentalist measures. Murray was also the President of the Canadian Council of Ministers of the Environment, a collection of environment ministers from…[En afficher davantage]
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https://justin.ca/democratic-reform-trusting-canadians/
JT has electoral reform in mind as well.
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PV is not electoral reform. More like lipstick on a pig. I can still produce majorities with less than 40% of the popular vote. It is a cynical attempt by the LPC to boost their electoral fortunes. It could backfire big-time. Canadian deserve proportional…[En afficher davantage]
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I like FPTP. In the right hands, with the right policy, it can transform a nation positively. I’m not for creating a situation where logjams and political stagnation is intentionally built into the system. I see America, I see Israel, I say, no thank you.
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The US has a plurality system, just like FPTP. Same problems. Israel has pure PR. It is only one of 2-3 countries that do. When political parties wish to discourage PR, they list all the problems found in pure PR systems.
They do not mention the smooth, long-lasting governments in the over 70 countries that have a mixed PR system.
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Scandanavian countries, European countries with negligible power, South American nations or Australia. None of those countries are global players and it starts locally. The FPTP system allowed Canada to introduce universities, large infrastructure projects, etc. It’s the only system where true progress can be made; swift progress. It just needs a…[En afficher davantage]
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Better look again … The list includes four members of the G8: Germany, Japan, Italy and Russia. Other notable inclusions: Spain, Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands.
The Scandinavian countries should not be sneered at. They have booming economies, little or no debt, full employment, low income inequality, great social programs and the happiest…[En afficher davantage]
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I find it odd that you don’t see a common thread between the countries you named. We see countries get weakened by PR. Each of the countries you mentioned have been destabilized particularly BECAUSE of PR. Coalition governments lead to legislative gridlock. Additionally, under PR, fringe groups generally come into being and ransom other parties…[En afficher davantage]
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I agree that leaders should be the most capable which usually arises from experience.
It is also no coincidence that the three main countries that still have FPTP are also neocon strongholds. Democracy under FPTP is kind of like “trickle down” under neocon economics.
I do not know what your definition of destablized is but having little no…[En afficher davantage]
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PR countries tend to have less income inequality. Even the right-wing Conference Board notes income inequality hurts economic growth:
“When growth is looked at over the long term, the trade-off between efficiency and equality may not exist. In fact equality appears to be an important ingredient in promoting and sustaining growth. The difference…[En afficher davantage]
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Hi Jarek
Anything under 51% is not great. Unfortunately, most seats are won by less than 50%. It is the fatal flaw in our electoral system which needs to be corrected before the LPC can ever dream of holding power again.
My point is that the frontrunners in this campaign hope to sweep Canada when most of the voters in their own ridings…[En afficher davantage]
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Brian Lessard posted an update posté il y a 2 mois 2 semaines
#leadership Liberal leadership candidate Bertschi sees another defection to Murray camp
It’s all about momentum! Once the Canadian electorate finds out about what Murray has to offer, I predict a beautiful majority gov’t…[En afficher davantage]
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Trevor Lynn posted an update posté il y a 2 mois 2 semaines
#leadership After our Calgary West meeting yesterday we’ve realized that many members are unaware that they have to register to vote. I think this message needs to get out there so all of the 294,000+ members and supporters get registered as soon as possible.
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I’m interested in seeing how Westerners, especially those in Alberta vote. Being new to Alberta, I don’t know the lay of the land all to well, but it feels like it’s either Trudeau or Garneau out here. Thoughts?
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Eric, my feeling in Calgary is that Trudeau has the lead followed by Marc Garneau. However, I know there are some people supporting Martha Hall Finlay. The other candidates don’t seem viable here as I don’t know anyone supporting them. It will be interesting to see what happens locally. Now, that’s Calgary, Edmonton sometimes turns in…[En afficher davantage]
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That’s been my feeling so far.
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Joyce Murray would probably take all of B.C.
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It’s a great opportunity for volunteers to practice the skills they’ll need to get ready for the next election!
This comprehensive guide will help you and your riding association to walk through how to set up registration reminder phone calls: http://liberaluniversity.liberal.ca/eda/reg-vpb/create-vpb/
Contact us at assistance@liberal.ca for…[En afficher davantage]
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This is most helpful. It is good practise and you are phoning people who are friendly and are at least supporters of the party so it is a good idea.
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Andre Brisebois posted an update posté il y a 3 mois 1 semaine
YOU’VE GOT MAIL! Check your inbox because ALL members and ALL supporters MUST register to vote for the 2013 LPC Leadership. Do it now and please spread the word. Thank you. #leadershiprace #leadership
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Signed my SO as a supporter online months ago and he has still yet to receive an email to register to vote. Checked his inbox again today and he’s only received one from Ian McKay today asking for him to become a supporter. Signed him back as a supporter again today. Hopefully he will get a registration notice before it’s to late. He’s getting…[En afficher davantage]
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On a side note after i did this it still shows my name on top of page but was using his when i posted this first time. Had to go back into things to change it back> i had to do it in french because it kept sending me back to the home page. I’m using my home computer that we both share so is that why things went wacky?
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Hi Darlene,
things can get ’wacky’ if you share a computer with someone who is also a member of the party since the site will remember you. if your partner is the last one to log on you can log off at the top right of the site and then log on as yourself :)-
yes, that’s a very good point. If more than one member or supporter uses the same device it can be a problem.
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Andre Brisebois posted an update posté il y a 3 mois 1 semaine
Vérifiez vos courriels : TOUS les membres et TOUS les sympathisants DOIVENT s’enregistrer pour voter dans la course au Leadership 2013 du PLC. Faites-le maintenant et passez le mot. Merci. #leadershiprace #courseauleadership #leadership
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Dès que je l’ai reçu, je me suis enregistré. Trop important pour le futur de notre parti pour passer à côté!
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Fantastique, merci Sylvain! Est-ce possible de passer le mot aux autres? Le prochain message d’enregistrement sera envoyé demain!
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J’ai mis un message dans les groupes Libéraux que je suit sur Facebook.
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Excellent, merci.
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Andre Brisebois posted an update posté il y a 3 mois 2 semaines
ALL members and ALL supporters MUST register to vote in the 2013 LPC Leadership race. NO exceptions. DEADLINE to register is March 14.
Look for your registration email from Matt Certosimo, National Membership Secretary. By now everyone has received one. It is URGENT that you register ASAP.
We must register tens of thousands of you to build the…[En afficher davantage]
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Andre,
I’ve received the Certosimo e-mail and have registered. I was surprised, though, to talk to a supporter this morning who had signed up last month (through Liberal.ca, not a candidate’s website) and hadn’t yet received the registration e-mail. At what point should she become concerned, and what can she do about it? -
Hi Roy,
No need to worry. The email will be sent again a number of times before the deadline to ensure it is seen and acted upon. For now, it might be worthwhile to check the junkmail folder to make sure it didn’t slip in.
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Andre Brisebois posted an update posté il y a 3 mois 2 semaines
TOUS les membres et TOUS les sympathisants DOIVENT s’enregistrer pour voter dans la course au Leadership 2013 du PLC. AUCUNE exception. La DATE LIMITE est le 14 mars.
Regardez pour un courriel de Matt Certosimo, Secrétaire national des adhésions. Vous l’avez tous reçu par maintenant. C’est urgent que vous vous enregistriez MAINTENANT.
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Gary Chynne posted an update posté il y a 3 mois 2 semaines
#leadership i’ve been checking out george takach’s site and videos.george has some down to earth plans for our economic growth.he also has ideas to help the north advance technologically.he covers youth enployment.he has a good grap of the why the first nations are in their present plight.he is concerned about children going to school hungry.he…[En afficher davantage]
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Douglas Brydges posted a new activity comment posté il y a 3 mois 3 semaines
En réponse à : Ken Cunningham posted an update # Leadershiprace Just saw Joyce Murray in APTN. Can’t find a link but she was bemoaning the fact the it was dumb to leave Aboriginal issues out of the wknd debate in Winnepeg. Boy […] Afficher#leadership #debates
I was planning on tuning in for the Winnipeg event but won’t now since it won’t be a debate between the candidates.
E-MAIL from Ian McKay, Friday, Feb. 01.13:
“One stage. Two arm chairs. And a heck of a good discussion. ……. This time you’ll get to know the nine official candidates for the 2013 LPC Leadership…[En afficher davantage] - En afficher d'avantage
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