• http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/01/09/every-day-is-now-election-day/#comment-406555823

    An interesting blog posted at Macleans. I truly hope the LPC doesn’t elect to go down the same road as the Harperites. Let’s set an example by making positive use of new technology, leave the gutter stuff to the Tories – not to say we shouldn’t be creative,…[Read more]

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  • #royal There is no good reason to change the status quo in regards to Canada’s relationship to the Monarchy. The Conservatives would absolutely love to see the LPC take a policy stand against the monarchy. It ain’t hurting anyone, there are ten votes to be lost for every one gained. Forget about it.

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    • Agreed. If we are in it to win the next election, we will need to focus almost entirely on economic issues and rebuilding the middle class. Taking on too many controversial issues will only lose much needed support.

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    • Wouldn’t you agree that defining ourselves by what the Conservatives would love (or not) has been part of the problem as of late? Could you imagine Pearson or Trudeau worrying about losing a few votes to the Conservatives when they renamed the military, created our flag, implemented bilingualism or brought home our constitution? You know they…[Read more]

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      • Actually John, while I agree with your point that we need to develop policy based on our Liberal values I think that it is also wise to have an eye to our political context and focus on policy issues that are at the core of our beliefs and that serve to build rather than divide. The Conservative’s specialty is playing divisive wedge/niche…[Read more]

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        • Hi Stephen, At the very least, I can say I’m 100% with you on all of the issues you mentioned even though I think that if Constitutional work will have to happen for electoral reform one may as well go all the way. But, let’s see what happens at the convention… Regards.

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    • Winning an election is less important than being true to what’s true. That’s a lesson it’s high time we learned.

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    • Exactly! We have to focus on conservative ecomonic flounering!

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    • I really don’t care what the Conservatives do or do not think. But your comment bothers me beause it is so common of late that Liberals only try to say what they think is populist opinion.

      I am commonly disappointed with any Party when they do not clearly enunciate what is their belief rather then what they think is popular opinion – it…[Read more]

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      • I think that the Liberal Party IS saying what is best for the country … attempting to remove the monarchy from our constitution at this point in history would provide zero benefit, cost (probably) 100′s of millions of dollars, divide the country along meaningless lines, distract our government from important issues and, did I mention, provide…[Read more]

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        • I don’t think it would cost such a sum of money although it might well be tricky to accomplish as it would require a change to the constitution and we know how difficult that can be.
          I do not presume to know what is best for the country in this particular instance – we do know though, that Australia has come quite close to being a republic and…[Read more]

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          • Regarding the cost of removing the monarchy … this could not be done without a complete rewrite of our constitution, which cannot be done without agreement from the provinces and territories, and Parliament and the Senate. To even get to the point of agreeing to abolish the monarchy would require multiple commissions, inquiries and public…[Read more]

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            • “Forcing elecgtions does not get you elected’ – this is exactly my point. If you cannot clearly ennuciate principles that you are willing to stand up for, and then stand up fir them in the clutch, even if you think you won’t get elected – then you have no principles in my mind.

              I think a bit differently about politics in that I don’t put…[Read more]

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              • Possibly. But what would be the point of bringing down a government if you don’t believe that you can win the resulting election? Why would you put the country through that turmoil, deplete the financial reserves of the party, and turn an election-weary electorate against you? How does that advance the cause of your principles? The best way to…[Read more]

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                • I think you are far too concerned about winning elections.
                  It is all about leadership. It is not about policy on pieces of paper, it is not about political tactics – sure that is what may work in the short term, but I do not think it works over time.
                  All this scheming and playing Machiavelli is what is turning off most Canadians in my…[Read more]

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                  • So, your position is that the Liberal party should, above all else and in any circumstances, stand up for our principles and policies… even if it costs us elections and votes … is that right so far?

                    However, you admit that you don’t know, nor particularly care, what the majority of Liberals think, so I assume that means you are unfamiliar…[Read more]

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                    • Hmm – very interesting logic.

                      Whether I know what other Liberals think has no bearing on whether I know what I think. I am very certain of my principles, thank you.
                      Yes, I think that principles come first, and if they are earnest, valid and well explained, that many people will agree and endorse that philosophy – and hey, it could even mean…[Read more]

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                      • “Let is start afresh – rebuild the Party on new ideals and principles – throw our hearts into the future rather than nostalgia for the past.”

                        I concur with a lot you have had to say on leadership as opposed to tactics. Have to say i disagree with this though. We shouldn’t confuse values and principles with better policies; mostly i don’t…[Read more]

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                      • I think principles come first too, so we agree on that at least.

                        But, the fact is, what you said was, we should NEVER abandon principles or policies for votes and then you went on to say that we SHOULD abandon our historic principles and policies because they didn’t get us enough votes – just sounds a bit contradictory to me, that’s all.

                        As…[Read more]

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          • Agreed about minority and frankly our political cowardice. I think you have also to give some weight to the fact the party was pretty well broke back then. Although lord knows why messrs Ignatieff or Dion continued to rattle their rusty sabers at Harper?

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            • Sorry Ken … but I’ll ask you the same question I have been asking George … can you please cite some specifics? What is this “political cowardice” you speak of?

              Please, you have every right to attack your own party on this site, no argument, but don’t you think it would be more productive and help the members and leadership more if we…[Read more]

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              • That’s uncalled for Martin. I rarely make unsupported “attack”on the party here or anywhere else – it’s not my style. I resent being lumped in with folks like kashev who offers nothing, nada to support his “theories”about candidates, teachers or anything else as far as i can figure out; that’s attacking and over generalizing imho. Precise…[Read more]

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                • I had no intention of apologizing Ken. I get very angry when Liberals attack our own party with generalized statements like “…and frankly our political cowardice”.

                  I do not see how it contributes to any productive dialogue or adds anything to the party – but yes – you have every right to say it!

                  I did not compare you to Keshav at all. I was…[Read more]

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                  • Fair enough…to a point anyway. I can live with the sorry at the beginning rather than the end:)
                    Actually i hadn’t followed all of the conversatione with George…my bad. I would have grasped then full context of your remarks ie., provide concrete examples.Agreed no apology warranted on that issue.
                    I still choose to differ on you on the matter…[Read more]

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                    • Ok. Maybe I just don’t understand what you mean by “cowardice”. What was it that you think that Mr Dion or Mr Ignatieff was afraid of? What danger was it that you think they were hiding from that would cause them abandon their principles? Is it not at least possible, that what you perceive as cowardly, was actually quite brave, poking the…[Read more]

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                  • A not so amusing aspect of how perception can really work against a party whatever its tactical intentions. Luckily Rick is just as hard or harder on the tory record.

                    I’m pretty sure you aren’t right about all those abstentions coming on throne speeches. Don’t have time to dig the numbers up though.…[Read more]

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                    • Oh, don’t bother Ken. Fine, we’re a bunch of losers and cowards who abandon our principles at the drop of a hat. Let’s face it, the only reason Mr Dion or Mr Ignaitieff got into the business was for the fame and fortune, right? All they really cared about was the glory and attention. But the second there was a problem poof! They ran away like…[Read more]

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                      • Wow! What brought that on? You’ve misrepresented or misunderstood most of my post to George. There’s certainly something to the argument that we’re all to blame, not just the leaders. But I think you’re overreacting. Call it a draw.
                        It’s all a matter of opinion anyway and pointless once people start talking past each other.

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                        • Do you really want to know what brought that on Ken?

                          So have you bothered to actually read the comments on this particular thread yet – you mentioned earlier that you had not … If you have, you might see my frustration in trying to discuss with George the difference between standing up for our principles and vote pandering. George thinks that…[Read more]

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        • So are you saying that the LPC is pro-Monarchy? I can accept your pragmatic argument to do nothing for now. But that should not mean to stop thinking about the matter.

          There is little point replacing the Monarchy with some other poison. I’m reminded of the devious options presented to the Australian voters by John Howard — now there’s bad…[Read more]

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          • Not really saying that the LPC is “pro” monarchy. Just that, at this time, we appear to not be opposed to it :-) I think, really it comes down to “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. As I have said on a few of these monarchy threads, I just don’t see the benefit to Canada of spending the money, effort and time (not to mention maybe some good…[Read more]

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        • I feel very strongly that Canada should remain a constitutional monarchy. The crown has always been a part of this country dating back to many first nations as well as all the early european powers. The sytem we have today was the world’s first codified constitutional monarchy, written by canadians for canadians. What we desperately need today is…[Read more]

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  • We’ve just made improvements to the servers hosting Liberal.ca. What do you think? #website

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    • If you’re asking about page loading time, it seems to have improved Steph. I noticed an improvement on En Famille this morning even though E-F pages have always loaded quicker than Liberal.ca pages. Perseverence pays off! :)

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      • Thanks Doug, This should only really impact the PHP+MySQL powered sites. The best improvements will be seen on database heavy sections. If you manage a EDA or candidate website you will see a huge improvement in the administration of the site which was getting very slow and prone to time-outs.

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    • I’m not seeing any ”proxy errors” today and that has been my biggest problem. If your changes have corrected that…well done!

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    • find it better

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  • #roundtable discussions Ottawa West-Nepean delegates and interested members had a good discussion tonite about issues, amendments etc. that will be raised at the biennial. Re: the roundtable discussions, the consensus was as follows: first place goes to #4, second to #1, third to #5. #3 did not get much support.

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  • #communications SAD! SAD! News the indications in the US are that the Republicans will win the next Presidential Election. I don’t understand George Bush and the Republicans made the mess the US is in???????? I don’t understand. So do the HARPERITES do the same here?!?!?!?!

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  • Here are my preferences for discussions at round tables at the biennial convention. Notice how question 4 and 5 could actually be merged if discussions are about rebuilding in making political activities easily more accessible to a broader base!

    2. The Primary process has stirred up a lot of debate for the selection of the Leader. Should the…[Read more]

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  • Ban the Veto (In a Unanimous Kinda Way)

    In October I was sitting on my couch in Victoria doing my due diligence on the role of National Policy Chair.

    Using my laptop, I downloaded the Constitution of the Liberal Party from the web and scrolled to Article 33.

    As I worked my way through the members and responsibilities of the National Policy and…[Read more]

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  • #environment
    Hello, warm wishes, and Happy New Year everyone!
    I wish you all health, happiness, and prosperity for the coming year.
    I apologise for my absence–I did take a few days off, and hope you have enjoyed time with family and friends.
    A few questions to kick-off the new year–what do you think are the biggest environmental risks in 2012,…[Read more]

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    • What can the LPC do to best influence this particular govt on the environment
      Keep up the pressure on CC change even though we have formerly withdrawn from Kyoto. As in: What concrete step have they taken to bring about a solution to their stated reason for exiting Kyoto? – too many big emmiters without targets. Are they actually DOING anything to…[Read more]

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    • Boy, where to start? I would say my biggest concerns would be:

      . Arctic oil drilling and whether we have strong enough regulations and protections.
      . The huge increase in fracking without really understanding all the consequences.
      . The endless rush to extract and ship all the oil sands oil regardless of the effect on the environment.
      . The…[Read more]

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    • I would like to add the spreading of bio sludge on farm land, as fertilizer. The science on bio sludge falls into the same category as “climate warming”. Nothing conclusive ether way, but putting every chemical, know to man, in continuing vary degrees of concentration and expecting, 15 days in a sewage plant, will make it “golden” and safe,…[Read more]

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    • Dear Ken, Martin, and Rick,
      Hello, and thank you for your comments.
      Ken, I though you might be interested in an order paper question I did regarding the oil sands and Aboriginal Candians; please see the link below, and it is question…[Read more]

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    • Kristy, If you have time, please visit http://enfamille.liberal.ca/forums/p/2702/27453.aspx
      from time to time and give us your thoughts
      thanks Rick

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  • #ottawa2012
    I support #1 and #3 in line with the approach suggested by Welwyn Wilton Katz.

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  • #ottawa2012
    My choices of discussion topics would be #4 and #1.

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  • #royal
    I think we need to keep our ties with the monarchy. Kate and William are very popular right now. A lot of Canadians still like the monarchy. The Liberals shouldn’t toy with this one.

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    • don’t mind the royals but they are an expensive figure head.

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      • Actually if you cost compare heads of state the monarchy and Governor General are quite cheap. This isn’t just in consideration of the GG’s salary versus other heads of state, but also the material costs of running their offices and the trappings of office. Rideau Hall for example is a Budget Lodge versus the Hilton-esque expense of managing and…[Read more]

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  • Bob Cano posted an update 2 years, 8 months ago

    #ottawa2012 Shouldn’t the questions be available as a link on the convertion website, rather than hidden inside a discussion?

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  • #Questions
    Thanks to Welwyn and Bronwen for helping me narrow down my choices, since I took your reasoning to come up with my own choices.

    I pick #3 and #4, since I think #4 gives a broader definition to engagement (and I think we need to engage as broadly as we can) while redefining the role of the leader, to me, is paramount in everything else we do.

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  • Question 3 & 1are important to discuss while 4 would be 1b for me. I find it surprising that the discussion can not be broadened to include a forum for all 5 questions as this group has been vetted from a larger group of issues. It would have been easier to have all the 5 questions listed on this page.

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  • For those looking for the questions…I suggest you use the hashtag #questions. In the SEARCH on the left side of this page type #questions. This will filter out all posts that do not contain that hashtag and the questions will be much easier to find – just look for posts by André Brisebois.

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  • #policy #Ottawa2012 #Questions

    I support #1 and #3 for the following reasons:

    It seems to me that the five points are unnecessarily separate. Consider this. If we look seriously at (#3) **which is about the Party’s *Leader*, not Leadership (Executive), as is made clear in the rest of the statement of #3**, then by discussing how the…[Read more]

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  • #membership Marc Garneaufor leader? Don’t know much about him?

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    • Frankly, I don’t really know much about any of the contenders – other than media hype. I’d like to know what the contenders have ‘achieved – on our behalf’, who has and who has not lived up to their promises etc… To date the only ones the media have made public are Bob Rae and now Marc Garneau and other than bio’s on these pages -…[Read more]

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      • There are no contenders for leadership yet because there is no leadership race yet. That won’t get started for at least another year or so… so there won’t be any bios posted for contenders till the leadership race actually begins.

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  • #royal As a party, are we really ready to enter into a complete constitutional overhaul? And are we prepared to deal with the fact that it is going to take all ten provinces signing on to getting rid of the monarchy? Our constitutional monarchy, as a system of government, has worked. And, for that matter, the Crown as an institution has been…[Read more]

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  • For anyone interested, especially delegates to the Biennial Convention, for your consideration, I would like to direct you to Philip Chisholm’s, candidate for VP (English), fantastic Platform for Party Renewal at the following link: http://www.philtheengineer.com/en/platform/ It is an extremely well thought out and elaborate platform through…[Read more]

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    • I love it Jon :):) Many thanks for taking the time to present what imo – many members having been saying in many different ways.

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  • I am a new member and a delegate. I think this site must have been designed by one of Harper’s minions, since he is not technically gifted… I received an email to choose among the 5 questions. I have no idea what they are and the site is opaque.

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    • Hi Stephen,

      These are the questions…(you can find them if you scroll way down on this page…not so intuitive…)

      1. Some Regional Roundtable Reports reflected that Electoral District Associations are the “lifeblood of the Party” while others suggested that centralization is necessary. What should be the role of the Electoral District…[Read more]

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    • Hi Stephen,
      I posted the questions a few days before the email went out (members here got the scoop!) and then just before the email. I’ve now reposted at the top of the forum and will continue to do so to make sure it doesn’t get ”buried” too deep.

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