• If we really want to rebuild the party, we have to look to the future. As a Candidate for Liberal Leader in 2013, I will do my best to take you there. No more ”Cookie cutter” politicians.

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  • Great, I finally connected.Just want to add, that we can’t let up on the Robo dial rhetoric. This is one of the worst things I have see in Canadian Politics. Our country, with UN, sends observers to other country’s to monitor there elections, who are the going to send here to make sure our elections are fair.

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  • Did you see the Political Panel’s #robocall discussion during CTV’s Power Play Friday, March 2nd?

    If not, you MUST take the time to watch. I’ll provide the link in a minute.

    First I want to highlight the mindset of the Conservatives and HOW / WHY they expect the majority of Canadians to either not care about their #lies or be so stupid as to…[Read more]

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    • That Power Play link is ’broken’ … Try this >
      http://watch.ctv.ca/news/powerplay #clip630584

      That may not work either, because of the ”#” -so- you may have to find the piece manually. I’ll come back later to provide instructions.

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    • Some of those quotes from Nichols are nuts! Who does he think Harper is, Putin!

      Oddly enough Nichols has been a critic of Harper in the past; apparently he didn’t think him conservative enough, or ethical enough…go figure.

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    • I think everone is saying we gott’m, between Election Canada, the RCMP and the press, we gott’m. With this much s— hitting the fan, the Harperites are done. I’m a betting man, I’m willing to bet that Evel Steve and the snap dragons are a long way from being done. We didn’t get them, the may have gotten themselves; but the fat lady hasn’t sang yet.

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    • “Perhaps I am naive but I can NOT in any way accept that Canadians would knowingly elect a ’crook’ as Prime Minister, regardless of who he is.”

      Gregg, You must not been around for the 2011 election. Canadains did vote for a crook. In and out, shady pay outs, spending the tax payers money like a drunken sailor for the conservatives own…[Read more]

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      • Rick

        I have ‘been around’ all levels of elections since the late 60s. In those 40+ years, all manner of candidates have come and gone … including some ‘so-called crooks.’

        Many so-called crooks were elected, but none were successful after it had been proven that they were ‘actual crooks.’

        I said, “I can not in any way accept that…[Read more]

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        • Gregg, I hope you are right, Canadians will wake up. I not going to hold my breath. Their was enough in the 2011 to weaken Steven Harper but instead he got a majority. I can’t tell you how many blogs, I wrote calling the Steven Harper a illegitimate government and that SH really didn’t have the right to run after being found in contempt of…[Read more]

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  • #Liberal Leadership 2013

    I am the first declared candidate for the 2013 Liberal Leadership. My reasons for declaring this early is that I need Canadians time to get to know me and what I will bring to the party. As well I am challenging the HUGE registration fee to even get on the leadership ballot. This is something I cannot do as the race…[Read more]

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    • Hi Shane. How fun to have a leadership candidate to haras…I mean, question!

      Please tell the class what you mean when you offer hope. Also, what is your position on cooperating with the NDP and Greens ahead of an election?

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      • Hey, thanks for the question. Hope, when was the last time you felt hope for the Liberal Party? I mean really felt it? I know I sure haven’t in the last few elections. I think we have been doing things the same way for long enough. To really defeat the Conservatives we as a party need a game changer. We can’t keep the same old cookie cutter…[Read more]

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    • Tell us about you self and in detail. Tell us why we should even bother reading anything further from you.

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      • Hello Richard

        Well I think you can see what I am all about from my bio on the Liberal site. Why should you bother reading anything else from me? That is the beauty of our democracy, you don’t have to. However I would think as a Liberal member you would want to know what all of the leadership candidates have to say. That being said, I am offering…[Read more]

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    • Congrats on putting yourself out there, Shane. The huge registration fee will not be a problem once you begin to attract a ton of supporters. Most successful politicians start out working for a interest group, let’s say Greenpeace, then run for a municipal office, then run for an MP or MPP and finally run for leadership. Of course a very…[Read more]

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      • Hello,

        Thank you for the comments and yes I do see where you are coming from absolutely. It is good to be getting feedback from across the country. They way I look at it is that hope is a mainstay. I think over the past few elections with our declining party status and poor support, I can’t help but feel that we do need a message of hope. There…[Read more]

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  • #cannabis #LeadershipRace … Deborah Coyne supports resolution 117: Legalize and Regulate Marijuana …

    Earlier today, in response to a comment from John Shavluk about the legalization of marijuana and the LPC leadership race, I posted this:

    “It is up to you and me and other like-minded Liberals to force this issue to be part of the leadership…[Read more]

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    • Good work Martin! Thank you.

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    • Agree. This will certainly give the party an avante garde, specific and targetable identity. I am concerned about the hazards of marijuana use and the cost of treating the tokers/jokers.

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      • Hi Jerry. Many medical researchers have come to the conclusion that there a very few real risks to smoking marijuana, and of course, there are many health benefits. My personal feeling is that there are health risks associated however, I know of very few things in this world that do not have a risk. I read somewhere recently that too many apples…[Read more]

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        • Just a little addition for you to consider Martin.

          I am 100% behind the legalization of marijuana because I am looking at forming a co-operative of farmers to grow hemp in the Similkamean Valley in B.C. I am presently living in Manitoba and the hemp industry is already starting to develop here. However much much more would be possible if…[Read more]

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          • Hemp is an amazing plant – its uses are varied, its derivative products are high quality and cheap to produce. It should be a much larger crop than it is and Canada is well suited to hemp production.

            I am not sure however, that legalizing and regulating “marijuana” is necessarily going to change the regulations for industrial hemp production.…[Read more]

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            • The reason I bring this up is there seems to be a lot of information that reinforces the notion that cannabis was not made illegal for the reasons most of think. Which was to curtail people from getting high from certain species of the plant.

              Perhaps it really was as some people suggest, a protectionist measure to protect the livelihoods of…[Read more]

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              • Oh, undoubtedly there were many forces at work to instigate prohibition of marijuana/hemp. Just as there are many varied groups interested in continuing prohibition … pharmaceutical companies, prison building and management companies … I’m sure John can list lots of groups that benefit from prohibition.

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      • Marijuana, like alcohol can be over done, and lead to health problems. Health problems are better addressed by doctors and nurses than by police and lawyers.

        One of the folk definitions of insanity is that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome. By this definition continuing the war drugs to stop…[Read more]

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    • I agree @jerry-green – if it doesn’t work, why keep doing it! Time to move on and end prohibition. Good to see another clear thinker supporting this important resolution.

      And to Jerry and @myles-macleod, I would like to add …

      The Liberal policy resolution (http://convention.liberal.ca/justice/117-legalize-and-regulate-marijuana/) clearly and…[Read more]

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      • Hey Martin
        You seem to have mistaken me for someone who doesn’t support this resolution. I would have thought that my original post made it clear tht I do support it. The gist of that post was that having marijuana illegal is a huge obstacle to harm reduction.

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        • Not at all Myles … I definitely understood that you support the resolution.

          However, you voiced a concern about associated health issues and I was just trying to draw your, and other readers, attention to the FULL resolution wording which includes education and harm reduction. Perhaps I would have been better to address your comment separately…[Read more]

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    • Hi Martin,

      Good call! I totally agree with moderation and legalizing and mostly regulating marijuana. The law enforcement shouldn’t have to worry about this, they have greater things to worry about. Marijuana is now mixed with so many things it’s ridiculous. This is so dangerous, we need to get this out of the bad hands. However I have a worry,…[Read more]

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      • Agreed and these issues need to be, and based on the standing resolution will be, properly addressed.

        Remember one of the big benefits of legalization and regulation is that it will remove literally billions of dollars a year from the pockets of organized crime and gangs. Without this “easy” money, these criminals will have a harder time…[Read more]

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    • ”What if everything you learned about marijuana was wrong”..
      An interesting read. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurel-dewey/marijuana-is-not-addictive_b_1739339.html

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    • I am with you on this one..Legalizing marijuana’s time has come. The evidence is there for its useful purpose..

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    • HOw many people use canabis for heath reasons and how many for pleasure reasons? Surely if canabis was so potent on cancer it would be used by medicine without legalizing it for common use.
      I am for legalizing it, but I also know that it is not primarily for in medical benefits, even though it may have some benefits, but realitly and…[Read more]

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    • Thanks for the link Joe. I hope everybody takes the time to read it.

      When the Party passed this policy at the convention I was delightfully surprised for many reasons. However the one thought that kept lingering in my head was……so much for the Harper Conservatives vote of solidarity in Alberta? With this policy adoption by the Liberals . If…[Read more]

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    • If we are actually reviving our dying outdated party, how about changing the old policy where MP’s had no obligation to adhere to official party policy? Why should members work hard developing policy if nothing happens to it?

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      • Jerry, we are not dying, just resting :-) Outdated, a bit perhaps, but to be honest, I’m not sure what the other parties say about veto over member adopted policy.

        In the LPC it is part of the constitution that the leader of the party can veto content in platform policy.

        A proposed amendment to the constitution was defeated at the 2012…[Read more]

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    • There was an item in the press recently about marijuana affecting the intelligence of users under the age of 18. The headlines were dramatic, but when you read the article it turned out that the problem only existed for under 18’s that toked up very frequently, not casual users. So that’s one. Most of the supposed dangers that I have read…[Read more]

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      • Myles: As John points out, I used marijuana when I was a teen, throughout my teens as a matter of fact. Something I am neither proud of nor advocate for others.

        The reason I did was mostly the time and the society that I grew up in – a time when youth was rebelling in any way possible (althought I no longer remember what we were rebelling against…[Read more]

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    • Thank you Robert.

      First let me extend my sympathy and empathy to you in the difficult battle you are facing with your illness. I respect and admire your courage to fight and look for answers, not just for yourself but for others in your situation, now and in times to come.

      It is you who should be applauded sir, not me.

      No possible treatment for…[Read more]

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    • I wish you and your daughter Godspeed and success.

      Perhaps you could tell us more about this walk and the crusade you and she are embarking on? When is it? Who is organizing it? How can others join or contribute? Are there any links or information you can share?

      I’d like to help and I live in Toronto, so maybe I could come and lend some…[Read more]

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    • I will not respond to your threats and shouting anymore John. If you want to have a rational conversation please show me some respect. Otherwise, I have nothing to say to you directly.

      I will make my own posts and comments on this issue and I don’t particularly care if you like them, or agree with them, or not.

      Quite obviously, the vast…[Read more]

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    • This also would appear to be a threat against the party and our leaders unless we capitulate and adhere to Mr Shavluk’s agenda. I believe that would be called extortion in some circles.

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    • I have flagged this as ”inappropriate” as I believe it constitutes a direct threat against Mr Trudeau’s right to privacy.

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      • Sorry Martin but I had to flag your post as inappropriate also. Justin has nothing to hide.

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        • No apologies necessary, Frank … a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do, right?

          I doubt very much whether any of these posts will be removed, and I am quite sure that Mr Trudeau can take care of himself. I am sure he has nothing to hide but he may prefer to release such information (if accurate) in his own time in his own way, instead of…[Read more]

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          • I don’t support ambushes by John or on John. My position is, as I said, that Justin has nothing to hide. He, and all of us, are much better served by the truth.

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            • Let’s be clear here … what Mr Shavluk posted was …

              “I really hate to let the cat out of the bag but once just-in for example comes out of the closet on his own cannabis use or not we plan to release evidence that in fact he used some out here in vancouver”

              He also posted …

              “One you tube video is all it will take at the right time…[Read more]

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              • He’ll have to decide about answering that one. I only speak for myself.

                I will say that we have enough to worry about from the other parties without fighting amongst ourselves. As Jerry Rafferty put to pen ”Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am, Stuck in the middle with you.

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    • Thank you Robert. Unfortunately, I won’t be able to cheer Jennifer on in person (my son is getting married that day in Texas!). But I will share this information with everyone I can and will be thinking of her (and you) and cheering you both on in my heart – Good luck!

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    • A buddy of mine sent me the link into a website asserting that hemp oil has amazing potential as a treatment and/or preventative for cancer. What do you think of this theory that it may be because of its ability to stimulate the production of melatonin?

      phoenixtears.ca/what-it-does-and-how-it-works/
      Rick Simpson:
      “She has sent me a great deal…[Read more]

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  • #leadershiprace
    I hope the race is a race and not a coronation. We need to test the mettle, good graces and acumen of all leadership candidates in the crucible of a well contested leadership contest. Emotional connection to the style and persona of candidates is important but there should be some substance as well for the longer term. You need both.

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    • Agreed. I want to see JT go head to head with someone as bright as Mark Garneau or Ms Findlay. We need to see all them under pressure.

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    • I agree with you, we need a true race not a coronation!

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    • Yes, we need a group of good, strong, intellegent candidates. However, I really hope the number of canadidates does not exceed 8.

      When the NDP had their elections last year there were about a dozen people running. Everyone knew that a third of them didn’t stand a chance of winning.

      Also, if there is a person you hope will run I suggest you…[Read more]

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    • Justin Trudeau is intelligent as well as a great orator and seems to connect with many from young to old. He is not like his father and shouldn’t really be compared to him. I knew his father and I have also heard Justin Trudeau.

      In the interveening years Justin has come a long way in his visibility and credability. At the same time I have had…[Read more]

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    • Naheed Nenshi is the most popular politician in Canada. Wonder if he’d make the jump to the Liberals to break the Conservatives stranglehold on the west. Smart, articulate, educated, broadminded and likeable.

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    • Maybe I am different but I did not believe that anyone who has not won a seat at any time should be be crowned leader of the Party. Or if they have been voted out then they should not be in either as they are obviously not a ”winner” if they can’t win in their riding.
      But then I guess $75 thousand is needed no matter who they are.

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    • I think we are very lucky to have JT in the race, he has the public profile and familiarity that the party really needs right now, he’s charismatic and intelligent. I hope it’s not a coronation either and I don’t think it will be. What the party really needs right now is a leader with intelligence and personality, unfortunately I really don’t…[Read more]

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    • I agree that we need a race with a number of good candidates. Only that will test the mettle of the people running. But even if a clear favourite emerges early in the race, it won’t be the same sort of coronation we had before, simply because the leader is being chosen by the party as a whole, not just convention delegates. Also – and just as…[Read more]

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      • Myles, that was my biggest disappointment with how Dion took the leadership. Everything in the end didn’t seem to matter other than how you made deals on the floor to grab more votes. I liked Dion but he wasn’t a strong leader, Ignatieff would have been the better choice at that time however that killed his chances for later as he would always…[Read more]

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  • #leadershiprace I have voted and for me the Leadership race is over. I hope that no matter who wins the Leadership we can all get behind our new leader and move forward. Congratulations to all nine members who started this race.

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  • #Destruction of Libraries and science based research information.
    I read today about this topic and am really concerned about the current and future ramifications of this action that the Harper government is taking. I believe it is in the party’s best interests to bring this issue to the public’s attention and list specific areas where this…[Read more]

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    • Linda: The HarperCons fear and hate public ownership, which is what scientific discoveries are (ergo public domain). At this time they do not dare eliminate all manifestations of public ownership but they can do it by stealth over time. If your corp. has infinite or near infinite storage capacity and you can afford a data base pro. you can save…[Read more]

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    • For years I heard about the conservative party’s “hidden agenda”. I was never really sure what it was. Now we know. It has taken the form of an all out war on science.

      Do No Science, Hear No Science, Speak No Science – this is the essence of the Harper agenda (The Star – Chris Turner – Oct 13 2013)

      “The ultimate goal is equally clear: to…[Read more]

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    • The destroyed information belonged to all Canadians, not just some bureaucrats who decided to make more floor space by destroying it. While representative governments can’t discuss every decision with the public, major ideological decisions like the intention to destroy public information ought to be mentioned during election campaigns. This is…[Read more]

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    • The destruction of this important material is consistent with the Conservative government’s earlier announcement that it is “concerned” that history teachers in Canada have a [L]iberal bias. This Conservative government is determined that history in any way, shape or form is re-written to show the Conservatives in a better light. This is a…[Read more]

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  • Dear fellow Liberals,

    As a member of your National Executive and a neutral steward of the Party, I have been observing the #leadership discourse and I now must engage with you on this topic. I will first disclose that I am not working for any leadership candidate, that I have not yet decided on my vote, and that when all is said and done, no…[Read more]

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  • A few days ago I received an e-mail from the Party that included a chart contrasting the donations received by the Party against the donations received by the CPC and NDP. The e-mail also included a pitch for a donation which would make me eligible to win a dinner with Justin. I made a donation that my wife and I could afford.

    Yesterday, I…[Read more]

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    • It’’s all about the phrasing – I had the same reaction that you did to the email. I think I would have been fine with the email had the line mentioned that FYI I had x$ contribution/donation room available for this year. But don’t thank me then ask for more…..and call it being grateful! Looks exactly the opposite!

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      • I’m really sorry it had the opposite effect Corey. We definitely did not intent for that to be so. We so greatly appreciate your donation. It’s what makes everything we do possible and I hope with the feedback we got the next emails will be better.

        -Steph

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      • Just a follow up. As a result of your response Stephane, I did click one of the links and made a one time donation (I am already a VF member). I then received a thank you email. I genuinely feel thanked this time and am hoping that now that we have reached the $300000 goal (as indicated by the counter), I won’t be receiveing another solicitation…[Read more]

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    • I must admit I too found it a little early in our campaign to victory for the Party to make this appeal to Victory Fund Donors. I believe that members who are sufficiently dedicated to the Party to make a monthly donation are giving what they believe to be a reasonable contribution as they see it currently. It does not preclude them from…[Read more]

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    • The ‘new’ approach being taken in fundraising email is, in general, excellent. Comparisons, graphs, personalized contribution detail, etc. – all a GREAT improvement. Much more effective.

      However, I fully agree with Lawrence and Corey. To the point of specifically encouraging the recipient to ‘maximize their tax credit,’ the second…[Read more]

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    • Lawrence,
      Thank you so much for your feedback and your donation.
      It’s with feedback such as this that we are able to send better emails to our members. We always try to send our members and supporters the information they’ve indicated they were interested for in the past. We’ve been told by many of our members and supporters that they didn’t…[Read more]

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      • Stephane, I am a Victory donor- 50/50 to NP and EDA. My donation limit is strictly governed by what I get, as the best tax rate (75% return on my investment) . If everyone donated up to that limit, I think the LPC would be quite happy. Unfortunately, that isn’t possible for most people.
        But….
        1/ IMO the LPC should be stressing that point, more…[Read more]

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        • Thanks for the Feedback Rick! And Thank you so much for being a Victory Fund donor! The monthly donations are what helps us the most in being able to budget and plan out longer term IT projects!

          -Steph

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      • Stephane
        Thank you for your response. In particular, the assurance that feedback is given fair consideration. With that in mind, I suggest the following.

        Don’t tie solicitations to deadlines for quarterly reports to Elections Canada. Many past and potential donors will interpret such timing as being a sign of desperation by the Party and/or a…[Read more]

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        • Lawrence, your post contains some very good advise. I like the idea that appeals for funds should give contain some information like reference to an issue, or organizational progress made or some idea of what the money will be used for. A recent NDP appeal states: ” There will be 338 ridings in play. That’s why we’ve already started…[Read more]

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          • Thanks Linda!

            We’ve sent out emails for funds for field workers in the past and those will be key to our organizational success in 2015. I’m sure we will want to increase our number of field workers substantially leading up to 2015 so I hope we’ll convey that in emails to you in the future.

            Thanks again for the feedback!

            -Steph

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        • Lawrence,

          Thank you very much for all of this, all of the feedback we get is very useful. I think there are many great suggestions in here and I think a great deal of them should be tested in the coming months.
          As I mentioned I can’t promise everything will be implemented, but everything will be considered. What I can do is give you one insight…[Read more]

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      • I responded to the invitation to win a dinner with Justin. I have received my tax receipt but I did not get the Thank You letter referred to in this thread. I would have like to get it because I am a VF member and increase my monthly contribution during the course of the year and donated to various appeals. I would like to max out my…[Read more]

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        • Thank you so much for your donation Linda,
          I’ll make sure someone contacts you today or tomorrow with this information and the reason why you didn’t get the emails (that might take a while to figure out)

          Thanks again so much!

          -Steph

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    • I received mine last night. I appreciate updates on how fund-raising campaigns are doing. It’s nice to receive thank-you notes too though we know they’re auto-generated, not genuine, individual personal notes from Justin Trudeau; signing them as from the Party itself would be fine. A reminder of how much I’ve contributed so far this year is…[Read more]

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      • Which a reasonable argument in favour of JT easing off on the no policy until ’15. I get the rationale for that. Nevertheless it’s the sizzle the sells the Barbie as much as the steak ( unless you don’t get any)
        I still say we could sketch an outline without giving away our hand or compromising consultation with the public.

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        • Ken – I couldn’t agree more . If the general public’s perception is that the LPC has little or No vision they will not join up , will not donate , will not talk up the party at the water cooler or any other social occasion . In short – growth that is so important over the next two years will no happen . An election is won or lost well…[Read more]

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          • I’m not down playing the work the party has done – its remarkable considering what had to be done to turn the party around. But right now it’s clear JT is carrying the party on his back. There’s no reason we couldn’t at least give the public the broadest strokes. Having said that mulcair has been far more detailed on policy and gotten nowhere.…[Read more]

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          • Ken I totally agree. But worse, its not so much that those broad strokes are not there its that they have not been put through the communications/marketing lens to sell them. The party needs to sit down and develop 3 -5 general policy points in simple everyday language and 3-5 Harper record points and keep repeating them. They need to create a…[Read more]

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      • Douglas – a really good comment and apparently Stephane got the message and passed it along to someone that can edit future emailed letters .

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        • I don’t want to sound like an old grump because I am not. I’m a long-time VF donor as well. But I just went back through my emails and found that – from last Saturday morning to this evening (at 7:05 p.m.) – a period of just 104 hours – I have received six emails asking for money, three from JT and three from Bronfman. I contributed after the…[Read more]

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          • Interesting. I am a VF member and I have never received and e-mail from Bronfman and I checked my junk mail.

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            • Linda, perhaps you have unsubscribed your our email updates. This or being marked as ’do not email’ in our system would mean that you wouldn’t get email updates. If you are interested in receiving them I can make sure your account is double checked to see where the problem lies.

              -Steph

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          • Hi Doug!

            We actually did implement exactly this about two years ago based on this exact feedback we got from donors:

            “Once a donation is received, there should be a way of auto-logging it with the donor’s profile in Liberalist. As each email blast list is being generated, those who have already answered the call should automatically be filtered…[Read more]

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            • I don’t mind getting update emails Steph. I don’t appreciate getting daily emails over five days asking for more money when I already contributed on the second day. By filtering on Liberalist – I meant filtering donors that have already contributed so they don’t end up on the next email blasts asking for another donation for a while. I received…[Read more]

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              • I understand Doug, but as I mentioned when we implemented exactly that We received many emails from our donors who were not getting any more emails on the current fundraising campaign they had just participated in. They asked us to to keep sending the emails from that same campaign to them because they wanted to know how the goal was progressing,…[Read more]

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          • Douglas, firstly I would never describe you as ‘grumpy’. I find your posts articulate and informative. I am not inclined towards policy, yet appreciate the importance in the machinery of the operation of a Party.
            I do have a question for you, if you are so inclined. There appears to be a desire for EDA’s to adopt as many ‘commissions’ as…[Read more]

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            • Hi Catherine:
              Going back as far as the beginning of 2009, when I became an active member (as opposed to being a silent, inactive member) – and first read through the LPC Constitution from top to bottom – my view has been that the Party should dissolve all Commissions as part of an overall action plan to streamline Party operations.

              Eliminating…[Read more]

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              • Thank you, Douglas. I appreciate your position and tend to agree,
                I will give it more thought ….

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              • Douglas: I noticed in the JT member’s update email received this week, the inclusion of updates from Commissions.
                Is there a delegate bonus with Commissions?
                I keep remembering JT talking about ’no hyphenated’ Liberals…..

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                • I don’t know what you mean by “Delegate Bonus”. Each member who attends the Convention(s) as a Delegate – whether appointed by a Commission or by an EDA – has only one vote on each resolution put before the delegates.

                  I agree with JT’s assertion that there are no hyphenated Liberals … that there should be no ‘special’ Liberals receiving…[Read more]

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    • I would like to see more of an emphasis on getting the occasional donor to become a regular Victory Fund contributor. Businesses like the regular customers and come to rely on them for success. We know the strength of a political party to broaden its reach is a well stocked coffer. The frequency of the pitches needs to be carefully monitored as…[Read more]

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    • Agree with you. My husband and I are retired and do not benefit from a tax break.
      When we donate $50.00 it is real dollars. No kickback next spring.

      I am sure a lot of others are in the same boat. We don’t mind contributing but the party should not assume everyone gets the tax break.

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  • #renewal I really want to know is how is the Liberal party going to bring Canadians back to the party? I want to know what everyone is going to do to energize and bring back to life the #EDAs. What tangible things can individuals do to bring members to the party. All this leadership talk is good but let’s brainstorm ideas. Please I do not…[Read more]

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    • Agree with you. I think I have heard from my riding association 3 times since the 2011 election.

      How are we suppose to build with that kind of leadership on the ground level?

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      • Everyone is so busy talking about co-operation or not that the need to talk about actions to get the party moving out of third party status is getting lost. We need to talk about the problems and successes regarding EDAs, events etc.

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        • I completely agree. The co-operation issue is meaningless if we have broken EDAs. We don’t have to worry about whether a Green or NDP candidate would take the place of a Liberal candidate if a broken EDA nominates an incompetent Liberal candidate anyway!

          Also I’m posting this to bump this topic to the top. Seems like that’s what a lot of…[Read more]

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    • I am very involved in our EDA and I fully agree that this is the next item the Liberal Party has to focus on if we want to have a chance in the next election. It isn’t easy. People’s favorite answer seems to be “call me at election time” They view politics as a 60 day sprint every four years. Unfortunately that will be too late. We have to…[Read more]

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    • All the policy junkies what ideas do you have to fix the EDA’s what are your suggestions for having superior candidates
      Policy junkies what are your ideas for getting things moving. How can we attract new members? What can we do to fix EDAs that are stagnant? How can we change the way things are done on the ground so EDAs are proactive not…[Read more]

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      • I think one of the things is that the Supporter class will be ongoing and that nominations will be contested.

        That means that candidates themselves will have to go out and recruit supporters, which means they will actually have to work to get people involved, including incumbents.

        I think this is a good thing. The candidates for nomination…[Read more]

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        • Please don’t misinform people. Supporters cannot vote for a local nominee, only members can. Supporters can only vote for the Leadership candidate of their choice. This came up at the Ottawa convention, and was voted down by the delegates.

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          • I sincerely apologize – I was under the mistaken impression that supporters would be able to vote in nominations.

            I think it is something that should be considered.

            I know there is concern about nominations being hijacked but having a supporter class means you have a lower barrier to entry for people who can be persuaded to vote Liberal.

            One…[Read more]

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            • I do not fear a hijacking from the grass roots, it will open discussions on a local level. If they help choose the candidate, all the better. This will bring people to the polls.

              The only way a party can be hijacked is if the party leaders themselves participate. Case in point, the PC CRAP merger. I believe the old loyal PC voters are available.…[Read more]

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        • I was under the impression that supporters could vote for the leader but not for the riding.
          Only members can vote for who represents the riding. This is a way of getting supporters to become member.

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      • What i know about EDAs could be written on the back of a postage stamp.So, no solutions from me, other than engage in as much human to human contact as possible – online does not qualify imo.
        But one thing that did stick in my mind from the convention when we chose M.Crawley, was the suggestion that S.Copps made – that we appoint a full time…[Read more]

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        • Now that is a great idea. If it is a paid position then the individual would be accountable. I wonder if this will come to fruition?

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        • Unaffordable for the EDAs. If Crawley had his priorities straight, then maybe the party can pay for it, but he doesn’t, so we can’t afford it.
          Next convention I am voting for someone else. He’s the worst pres ever.

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          • I agree. Sheila Copps would have been a thousand times better. I voted for her. Also Mike doesn’t seem to know how to dress for the occasion. Always blue jeans.

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      • As the President of an active EDA, I have a comment and a suggestion.
        Comment: keeping an EDA active is tough, but can be done. You just need all hands on deck. If yoiur EDA is stagnant, talk to the President or the VP and find out why. If they ignore you, or seem uninterested to do anything, then take over the EDA. You may contact me, and I’ll…[Read more]

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        • My particular area was affected by the Valin Commission, thus I will no longer be in my current riding. It will be a new riding. As a newbie the idea of taking over a EDA is not on my agenda. In a perfect situation I want EDAs to communicate with their riding members on a regular basis. Tell me what is going on in the riding and what ways I can…[Read more]

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          • Unfortunately, this is the old `you can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink’. All the training in the world will have no effect until the issue of `territory’ is addressed. People who have been ensconced in an EDA for a long time seem to be perfectly happy and, since, like as not, they are on the various `important’ committees,…[Read more]

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      • Every sitting MP should be obliged to adopt two close non-Liberal ridings and help them establish vibrant riding associations. Period. No excuses. Their job is to help the party win the next election, and that starts right next door to them.

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        • That sounds like a good idea.

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        • I think this is a good idea in theory. But in practice some members have seen (including myself) EDAs run completely by the sitting/former MP, with little engagement with the members of the EDA. I think there’d have to be some sort of mechanism in place that once the EDA is up and running that the power goes to the members and not a friend of…[Read more]

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        • Good idea. But as Shawn said once the EDA is firmly established the membership should be in control.

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        • MPs actually do “adopt” EDAs and assist in promoting policy events, member recruitment, victory fund drives etc… We have 35 MPs, and 308 (soon to be 338) EDAs… the math is daunting…

          Another support mechanism is the PTA, where the Executive Director, the PTA President, field workers, board members etc.. either pro-actily or reactively…[Read more]

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    • That’s a great question. Part of it would be to have some activities that are fun – social events and get-togethers – barbecues, cocktail parties – and not just fundraisers.

      The other is to treat the lead-up to the next election as a training period.

      What you want is the best possible list of people in your riding who either will vote liberal,…[Read more]

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      • If nothing else the supporters could become one heck of a volunteer pool.

        Not sure about nominating the local candidate. They certainly can’t vote for him/her…just the leader.

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    • Douglaid, you are so right.
      It seems we only really get together when an election is called. I am in one of the ridings that will be changed before 2015.
      Once this is done I am hoping whoever is responsible for the new riding will start getting in touch with people ASAP.

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    • Also a good question to pose to all leadership candidates.

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    • My experience with EDA’s, which isn’t much, but enough, to turn me off, is that there are no clear direction or overall theory of what the EDA is to do. If you ask a 100 different Liberals, what is the function, of there EDA, you will get 60 different answers.
      Some EDA’s are split from old arguments/disagreements.
      Some EDA’s are dependent on…[Read more]

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      • I agree with pretty much everything Rick has said here.

        I’m also shamelessly posting this to bump the topic to the top.

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      • You may have heard the CPC are already doing this…in their usually underhanded scummy way. By putting failed candidates and party bagmen into swing ridings that they failed to get last time – and on the govt’s[our] dime if they can.A sort of shadow MP.

        In some cases they are bold enough to bypass the local mp for PR events or money…[Read more]

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    • This is a good constructive thread. You may find the EDA section on Liberal University interesting: http://liberaluniversity.liberal.ca/eda/

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    • What about the suggestion for regional EDAs? Someone(forgive me I forgot who) made the suggestion in another thread.

      @Rick I like your vision of what an EDA should be. Huge opportunity for the Liberal Party to get things moving forward.

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      • Milinda, If you find a way to get the ball rolling, I would like to hear how you did it.
        Unless you are EDA presidential material, pretty much a brick wall. I haven’t found a way to push “any” objective along.
        Andre keeps pushing the Liberal University info, most of it, I had offered to My EDA in writing, before I was directed to it by Andre.…[Read more]

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        • @Rick I am perplexed why more members are not talking about the situation with the EDAs. In my view if they are not functioning on an individual basis why have them? It seems a waste of member funds. I will be in a new riding because of the realignment and I am not sure how things will transition. I did take a class on Liberal University and it…[Read more]

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          • @Milinda, One has to be careful, not to be, just a whiner. Doesn’t seem like I can do, so I am leaving it to those, that, think they can.
            I think Bob Rae, said it best, in BC, 18 months ago or so.
            If you want to create change in the party, work in the trenches for 3 or 4 years, than we will talk.
            Unfortunately, with many EDA, so dis-functional,…[Read more]

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            • @Rick when an EDA is dis-functional so many opportunities are lost. It is quite unfortunate. I just wish all the candidates would have addressed this particular issue.

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              • @Milinda, I don’t think the candidates have much or any involvement on how the party structure is set up and how it functions.
                This is Mr. Crawley and his team responsibility, which is driven by the membership, supposedly. Lets not lay that issue, on our leadership hopefuls.

                From my experience, YOU have to decide what you want from the EDA and…[Read more]

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              • @Milinda, I was thinking about our discussion on the EDA and why they don’t seem to function that well in general.
                1/ It is run by volunteers, which brings out the power people. People join for a multiple of reasons. For me, I originally dislike Steven Harper, so decide to get involved. Later, I have come to realize that , “you get the…[Read more]

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                • @Rick I have only been a party member for about a month and a half, and previous to that I had no party affiliation. Honestly, one of the reasons I joined was because of Justin Trudeau (everyone spare me the middle aged women and hair comments). I have small kids and want them to have the best future possible and I think the Liberal Party has…[Read more]

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              • Part of the problem with EDAs is the role of the president which seems to be seen by the party as the sole link with the riding association.That effectively creates a bottleneck and encourages an elitism attitude. It stresses an hierarchical structure and for a largely volunteer organization, that is a death knell.

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          • Milinda, you say you are a mother. I suggest that you approach your EDA with the attitude of a mother , i.e., if I don’t do it no one will. Try to identify a few key people in your EDA who you think you can work with and from there, start holding Outreach events such as Chat at the Pub once a month. Hopefully that way you can find a few…[Read more]

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            • I did read the hijackers guide. Due to the reorganization of the ridings in Mississauga I will be part of the new riding of Mississauga North. I am trying to see what ideas have worked for other ridings and take some Liberal university classes. I am hoping to bring some ideas to the new EDA.

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    • I don’t want to sound like somebody who is not enthusiastic any more about rebuilding my local EDA and making it the most progressive, inclusive and members oriented. Unfortunately, Milinda’s question how the Liberal party is going to bring Canadians back to the party created feeling of deja vu for me.
      We had this discussion prior to the last…[Read more]

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    • As mentioned by Jarek, here is the link to the events page for LPCO’s executive board meeting (March 22-24): http://events.liberal.ca/Event/lpco-executive-board-mar-22-24-2013.aspx?Lang=en&mi=A

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    • I am a Liberal member for almost a year and a half. Our EDA holds monthly coffee chats or on occasion pints and politics sessions in local venues. Everyone is welcome and people get to know each other over the months, the wisdom and the repartee. Invites go out over our distribution list or by a phone tree. With the leadership race, our EDA…[Read more]

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      • Wow. Now that is an EDA. I have said that something as simple as having a coffee time where Moms could come with their kids or events geared to youth (as examples) would go a long way. I cannot go to evening events like a pub and politics but a day event where I could bring my kids would be nice. How many stay at home moms or dads are we…[Read more]

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    • I am on the executive of one Liberal riding association. In the past 12 months we have seen an influx of younger people who are concerned about where the Harper government is taking the country, and have joined the party to help fight the next election.

      In those 12 months we have started formal building of the riding association. We have agreed…[Read more]

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    • I will support whoever is elected Leader. What bothers me is that each and everyone of the candidates has advanced many new approaches. My hope is that the new Leader will unite this outstanding group into a team that will lead the party in getting our party and all EDAs running on all Fours. We can’t afford to waste this much talent!

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      • I agree with you. All of the candidates are capable individuals and I hope they all, if they have not though about it, plan to run in the next election.

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    • If you click on #InternationalTrade you can see my proposal for the printing up of a Liberal Party Dollar based on the idea of CalgaryDollars.ca or The Worgl, Austria Experiment of the Depression era!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%B6rgl

      The Wörgl Experiment

      “Wörgl was the site of the “Miracle of Wörgl” during the Great Depression. It was…[Read more]

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      • Regarding EDA’s, I have found it very disappointing that our previous candidate has attended only 1 meeting in the past 2 years and seems uncommitted to the party and its local organization While I realize it was difficult during the last campaign to select good candidates, I hope that, next time around, we select someone who is prepared to stay…[Read more]

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        • This is an interesting point. Others and myself have complained that the former MPs have done the exact opposite: they have not let go of power in the EDA.

          But, there is something to be said about party loyalty!

          So this begs the question: how do we keep committed candidates involved without them wresting power from the members of the…[Read more]

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          • How about having them responsible for a specific task within the riding such as volunteer recruitment and training. This would also require them to be trained on Liberalist, if they are not already trained. It would be an indicator of how well they are able to organise and mobilize volunteers.

            Community outreach would be another spot that they…[Read more]

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    • #renewal Any more ideas?

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    • I believe we need to make Outreach to members, supporters and the general public our top priority. Especially in ridings that will be split by redistribution as they will now need 2 EDA Boards instead of just one. We need better outreach material – the postcard format provided on Liberal.ca, which EDA’s are expected to print at their own cost…[Read more]

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      • @Linda you are absolutely correct we need to outreach to our communities. In my area we have a community centre that is always busy on the weekends and during the day there are 4 seniors clubs that are in the building. Never once have I seen any outreach done at the community centre in the 8 years I have lived in this riding. That is simply not…[Read more]

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  • #cannabis

    Although I have made a few different posts on this subject. After doing a great deal of investigation into the matter. I think it’s not only justifiable, but critically important to repost a more inclusive argument for the Liberals proposal to legalize the use marijuana in this Country.

    First of all I would like to state. The…[Read more]

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    • Good post Robert. Hemp is indeed a truly remarkable (dare I say “miraculous”) plant. Its unhindered use can and will lead to many benefits for all of society. Accepting hemp production can only be aided by the legalization of recreational cannabis (basically hemp with a high THC content). Removing the stigma from this plant is important. Far…[Read more]

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    • Robert:
      I think we need to get the various elements of the research summarized. The hemp angle is important and there are many benefits of hemp but I think we have to address the health aspects very carefully as well.

      To assist with this I have prepared a paper which consists largely of research references found in this blog. It may be found at…[Read more]

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      • Wow…..that’s a mighty big list Micheal. but greatly appreciated all the same. There are a number of studies on it that are new to me. Most of my investigating has been focused on other cannabis plants that are of little interest to those interested in those which are grown for their THC value.

        I am not in complete disregard to the latter…[Read more]

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        • Hi Robert:
          I checked with Google on schizophrenia and added 2 more references to the paper. These are 13. and 14. under cons.
          Your point about defining abuse is a good one. I have a feeling from the Harvard article (13.) that they would say for a teen that more than zero is abuse.

          The pattern I am picking up is that marijuana does its greatest…[Read more]

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          • And this is why I cautioned you above Micheal … a question is raised about schizophrenia and cannabis use and you add two more ”CON” articles to your list. Why no ”PRO” articles?

            ”Doubt cast on cannabis, schizophrenia link” (http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2009/09/02/cannabis-schizophrenia.html)

            ”Marijuana Compound Treats Schizophrenia with…[Read more]

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            • Thanks for the references Martin.

              I have added them into the white paper except for the A-Z reference. It provides links to schizophrenia but they require a password. If there are some specific sections in there you would like me to include please let me know.

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              • You can add whatever you like, Michael. But … I thought that a reference that refers to over 100 ailments and diseases whose symptoms may be alleviated by cannabis would be a good addition to a balanced review of health related aspects of cannabis. Instead of only talking about what cannabis does NOT do, we could also talk about all the BENEFITS…[Read more]

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                • Martin:

                  OK, here is the first one on ADHD http://www.calgarycmmc.com/adhdbyryanp.htm

                  This is not random, it is the first one.

                  Is this the type of thing you want on the white paper?

                  There are probably 200 links coming from this single web site. Looking at one link could take 5 minutes. And this first link is not very endearing.

                  I am happy to…[Read more]

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                  • That’s right Micheal … lots of links talking about the up side of cannabis use. That one you picked out specifically says (anecdotal) beside the title.

                    As I said it is up to you what links you want to add. Basically, I don’t think it is really that important. I think most people already know that there are both good and bad effects from…[Read more]

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                    • Martin:
                      OK, you don’t want to participate in the white paper and that’s fine.

                      I think there is another fundamental area of research here beyond health. You have made the point that prohibition has not worked in the past but I think we need to look at marijuana very carefully.

                      This is something people can grow in their backyard. It is hard to…[Read more]

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                      • That’s a difficult question, and I have certainly never claimed to have all the answers.

                        I am not sure that consumption will necessarily go up with legalization. Cannabis is notoriously easy to access. I think there are those that wish to partake and those that don’t. I t may rise some but I don’t think we’re talking epidemic proportions.

                        I…[Read more]

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                        • Martin:

                          I am not locked in either.

                          You have reconciled in your mind that there are no serious adverse health effects.

                          If I could get myself over that hurdle, I would be looking at cannabis as a revenue source.

                          I would probably discourage home grow-ops because of administrative problems.

                          Then I would suggest that marijuana be sold in…[Read more]

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                          • I lean more towards treating cannabis more like alcohol than cigarettes – better control I think.

                            Health Canada is government agency and as such presents the policies of the government and theoretically the people of Canada, they don;t make policy or comment on policy – their “support” is not necessary.

                            The CMA is a “reluctant” supporter of…[Read more]

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                            • Martin:
                              Re: Health Canada, they will not change their health assessment because another arm of the government makes cannabis legal. The problem is the electorate and the media will pick up on this for sure. It could be very rocky for whoever has to carry the ball on this one.

                              Thanks for the reference, CMA I have added it to the white paper under…[Read more]

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              • I have to give you credit for your organization skills, I humbly admit that it is not my strength.

                In the pursuit of a healthier safer Canada, I believe we have the same goals.

                Believing in open discussions and strong team building I am looking forward to a sound decision making process. This is how good policy is developed. Cheers!

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          • Michael Smith

            Recognizing the value of a healthy community is a service to our country. I thank you for your dedication.

            What I cannot support is funds going to organized crime that should go into health care. I believe your proposal (of a weekly limit) will have this unintended effect.

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        • Robert: I am not sure lay folk can properly interpret the pro and con arguments about marijuana. It would take a task force of scientists addressing the safety issue directly. I agree, it cannot be approved unless it is safe. The “unsafe’ faction seems loath to admit that alcohol abuse is associated with schizophrenia and an overdose of…[Read more]

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      • Michael: While I applaud your efforts the research the topic of health and cannabis, I caution you on becoming a “gatekeeper” for the articles pro and con on the topic. A Google search for “health and cannabis” returns literally millions of hits. If we use Google Scholar we narrow that down to about 100,000. If we search Google specifically for…[Read more]

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        • Martin:
          As I said at the outset I got the original references from this blog. Then John mentioned schizophrenia so I added a few on that. You gave me 4 more and I added 3 of the 4 because the last one required passwords .

          I would think on almost any topic we could decide to do zero research because Google has too much information.

          I think if…[Read more]

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          • But the point is Michael, there are THOUSANDS of reputable scientific studies and papers on the effects of cannabis, really … thousands. I don’t see how you pare those down to something that people can easily digest.

            And I don’t see the point, sorry. We already know (and most of us agree) that cannabis has some negative side effects, just as…[Read more]

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      • Hi Michael;

        I am not trying to discourage anyone trying to get good medical information. I favor what is best for public health.

        Without any medical education, I can not give a direct response to your medical questions. I would like to see more funding at local levels for mental health issues.

        What I can do is provide information that is new…[Read more]

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    • John:
      Think of Justin Trudeau explaining legalization of cannabis to a Globe and Mail journalist.

      The journalist asks “There are a number of studies that link marijuana smoking by adolescents to schizophrenia. Are you concerned about this?”

      He then answers that “Adolescents can die from drinking too much water or swallowing their pen caps. …[Read more]

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      • I think all our candidates are a little smarter than that, Michael. I think a more appropriate response would be:

        “Yes, I am very concerned about that. Unfortunately, there are many substances and practices that effect the health of our children. Luckily we control access to most harmful substances in an effort to minimize the risk toy our…[Read more]

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        • But Martin:
          Could we not do the education program on its own without legalizing marijuana?

          Legalizing may take marijuana out of the hands of dealers on the school ground but the First Nations will probably take over 2/3 of the market and they won’t be checking the ID of every customer.

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          • I suppose we could Michael, and we probably should have been doing that for years. But we haven’t. Instead we have and the US have a very general “just say no” campaign which from everything I have read and observed, is a dismal failure. Perhaps because kids are too smart. They know adults all around them have been smoking cannabis for years -…[Read more]

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            • Martin:
              Are you sure that more alcolhol was consumed during prohibition than now? I find that remarkable.

              When looking at the First Nations, I do not think alcohol is the appropriate comparison. I would think marijuana will more likely follow the distribution pattern of cigarettes.

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              • I never said that Michael. Nowhere did I say that more alcohol was consumed during prohibition than now. Please tell me where I said that.

                What I said was that prohibition was a failure. It did not stop people form drinking. In fact, it is widely accepted that the number of people who consumed alcohol, and the amounts that they consumed…[Read more]

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                • Martin:
                  OK, people can grow this in their backyard.
                  How would you suggest we regulate marijuana?

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                  • This Cannabis topic had to be the most discussed topic on the LPC site. But if we get elected it will be legalized, it will be sold through something like our booze stores with all the same type of regulation, so I do not see the fascination with it when there are so many other important policies that we have not adopted yet.

                    For me just…[Read more]

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                    • Don: I think you and I are on the same page.

                      I am participating in this topic because I don’t think the Health aspects were taken into account when the resolution was passed by the Liberal Party.

                      Unfortunately none of the senior Liberals follow this blog so they could well put this in as a plank and hit a buzz saw when the health questions…[Read more]

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              • Upper price limits must be addressed.

                The cigarette distribution pattern that evolves organized crime is a result of over taxation. The goal of reducing consumption overreached its price thresholds and re-created this underground market. It actually lowered the average price and recreated a system to supply youth.

                We cannot let this happen with…[Read more]

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                • John:
                  I don’t think it is a police problem, it is a RCMP problem.

                  see
                  $2 billion in tax revenue up in smoke
                  .

                  The First Nations sell a good part of the contraband cigarettes and the RCMP look the other way. They have signs out on the highway “Tax free smokes” and no one says peep.

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                  • First Nations do not collect tax from sales. Big problem with open borders that should remain open.

                    How about talking with them as equals.

                    Not being Native, I have my say through my Federal Governments talks. Still waiting on all issues for some progress.

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                    • John:
                      As I understand it the FNs are only allowed to sell to other FN people for their own consumption.

                      I would love to treat FNs as equals. Like if the sewer system does not work then tax yourselves so you have the money to fix it. This is what the rest of us do.

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                • John:

                  What has it cost us to get cigarette smoking rates down to 18%? And what has it cost us in health care costs to deal with the impact of cigarette smoking?

                  Yes, we will save in policing costs by legalization but how much will our health care costs go up?

                  If we had our time over, I am sure we would never have legalized cigarette smoking.…[Read more]

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                  • With all respect, you are assuming use will go up.

                    Only things that I project to go up is mental heath services and education.

                    Biggest long term decline will be in youth use especially if your hunch is true.

                    People lie to doctors, remove the stigma in the name of better health.

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      • Short story…
        I once knew and jammed with a very good blues sax-man who drove a tractor-trailer truck for a living; off-road, woodlands, log haul, night-shift only. He’d smoke 7 to 10 joints before starting his nightly shift.

        He suffered from schizophrenia. He claimed it calmed his nerves. He also claimed it increased his night vision so much he…[Read more]

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        • That’s a, um, nice story Douglas. But I fail to see the relevance to this discussion.

          Are you suggesting that his marijuana smoking caused his schizophrenia? Many studies show that schizophrenics are more prone to substance abuse of all forms and are particularly drawn to cannabis to alleviate some of the symptoms – so chicken and egg (please…[Read more]

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          • The point was that the guy truly believed smoking grass was helping him with his schizophrenia (I forgot to mention that his family doctor, also a grass toker) convinced him it would help. And from the event I shared… I would say that it did not help him at all. (see end of my 2nd paragraph)

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    • John:
      Yes, your point about people growing their own is a good one.

      If there is no demand for contraband because of home grow-ops then there will be no contraband.

      But in the same thought, is this stuff not going to be very difficult to control?

      If we believe any of this stuff about teen age mental impacts, then do we want this stuff to be…[Read more]

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      • “freely available in everyone’s backyard”

        Alcohol and other ethic issues are already discussed in house holds. Responsible families naturally protect their youth.

        I will trust a family structure until a point. That point is the responsibility of Children’s Aid and Family Services. No need to address a problem that already has…[Read more]

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        • John:
          Have you ever stood outside a high school at noon hour.

          Student’s are not allowed to smoke on school property, so they smoke across the street.

          Most of these student’s come from good families where the parents I am sure are discouraging their kids from smoking. But peer pressure takes hold anyway.

          I think we would be in rough water to…[Read more]

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          • If legal harder for youth to buy. A large part of the retail will go out of business. Police would be able to focus on problem areas.

            My high school days it was sold in smoking area just outside the door, before the school property restrictions on cigarettes. Bad idea if your concern was cannabis. I do not know if sales at schools changed, but…[Read more]

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            • John:
              Am I right that marijuana leaves a unique pungent smell in your clothes?

              If so this may be a deterrent for kids who are trying to hide their habit from their parents.

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    • John:

      Here is the first reference in the compendium. http://www.rxmarijuana.com/shared_comments/ADHD4.htm
      Do you want me to include this in the white paper?

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      • This list from John is the same one I posted (the A to Z list). You keep focusing on the first (anecdotal) link. Why? First of all it is a cry for help from a severe sufferer of ADD who finds that marijuana helps him – so my all means, post it! Why wouldn’t you?

        But I think the point that both John and I are trying to make is instead of focusing…[Read more]

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        • Martin:
          John’s document was 479 pages long and he asked me to go through it. I turns out that the first item was the same as the first item from yours.

          I am making a point that you and John are giving me massive documents and reference lists and asking me to go through them and pick out the good ones.

          I am asking you and John to read through…[Read more]

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    • Its OK John.

      I will take my chances,

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    • John:
      Your personal experience with hash is valid but I think we have to go with the science which looks at larger sample sizes and looks at cause and effects in a scientific manner.

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    • John, I cannot question your sacrifices and dedication. I believe in your cause.

      Be careful that you do not put most of the people into your 36% of the population. This is unjust to you and your cause.

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    • John I have proof that he is not dismissing your facts. His list verifies this. This is an organization skill that is needed.

      What I will do is try my hardest to learn what he is trying to tell us. I hear an alarm and I want to verify the fire is out before anyone goes back inside.

      I am in no hurry

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    • Little bit of info John.

      When I read your posts I look to see if you gathered your thoughts and expressed them to what I think is your capability.

      Why you are rational and do not make negative personal comments = thumbs up

      If you openly criticize someone personally = thumbs down

      If I do not use thumbs, I restate my position, did not read it,…[Read more]

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    • Not all Conservatives are beer swilling racists. Your generalizations and aggression offend me. Please stop

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    • i didnt realize that IQ tests were given by political parties so where do you derive your facts from?

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    • Actually, they don’t. You can spew all the crap you want but it only makes your other posts less believable. If I know one of your statementsto be grossly untrue then I am less likely to believe you other claims..no?

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    • if it were completely censured, then the prying eyes must love your spewing. just kidding john. by the way, i did see something about conservatives being dumber, but i wondered what definition was being used to define them: social conservatives (i’d say definitiely!), fiscal conservatives (i’d say not so much), Conservativs (only the real…[Read more]

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    • I do not believe in voter suppression.

      Your vote, your choice.

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    • ps I hear you about my spelling. Thanks John.

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    • Hi John;

      You gathered your thoughts, it was worth it. Well written.

      I am not sure but the last two paragraphs may have been interpreted as threats. Did not bother me but that is the chance you take ;)

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  • On the Daily Show last night there was a discussion about whether Obama was a socialist. (I hate using American examples.) Anyway, the upshot was that the term socialist was only being used as an emotional trigger with no relation to underlying fact.
    Del Mastro does not make sense in saying that people who vote legitimately are being insulted by…[Read more]

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  • Mary Fernando posted an update 4 months ago

    #rpro-choice I must admit I am somewhat perplexed at the uproar around this issue. Access to safe, legal abortions is a right and Liberal candidates are not welcome to vote to take that right away.
    It would have been far more odd if Justin said that Liberal candidates can vote to remove that right from Canadian women.
    Speaking of rights-the…[Read more]

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  • Len Rosen posted an update 9 months, 3 weeks ago

    #multicultural
    Justin Trudeau spoke to a packed banquet hall at the Beth Tikvah synagogue in Toronto on Thursday evening. The evening began celebrating the second candle lighting for Hanukkah, the Jewish Festival of Lights. Then Beth Tikvah’s rabbi posed 5 prepared questions for Justin before opening up the floor to questions from the…[Read more]

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  • Frank Mills posted an update 1 year, 1 month ago

    #cannabis

    Justin has handled the Cannabis issue extremely well. He started cautiously, but recently came out in favour of regulation with perfect timing. It prompted Harper’s government to respond negatively. Since then, there has been an excellent documentary on CNN by Gupta, dispelling many of the myths, and, Holder has come out against…[Read more]

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    • I agree

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    • Trudeau has said he changed his mind based on recent reports on the subject.
      This information was not available a few years ago.
      Changing ones opinion on a subject is allowed.
      Sticking to ones point of view despite information that show you are wrong is what Harper does.

      Glad we have a leader who can evolve.

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    • I agree with you james, but, just to qualify, trudeau did support decriminalization (which I do, and which the usa is attempting to do by promoting marijuana possession under an ounce as a misdemeanor, no jail time) post 2009.. it’s a start and I think most liberal voters would agree. where is Justin on carbon tax? nowhere. where is he on…[Read more]

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      • Actually Peter, most liberal voters don’t agree.

        As for the carbon tax, it isn’t as simple as you imply. It isn’t just the energy sector that is producing emissions, the agricultural sector is too. Then there is the problem that liberals have been portrayed as believing that additional taxes are the solution to the problem. Green energy…[Read more]

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        • support for decriminalization is quite a bit higher than legalization and tax, across Canada. As the LPC is a middle of the road party, i’m making the assumption that liberal voters would support decrim but are iffy on legal. the greatest support comes from boomers who either want their records expunged or to be able to enjoy the odd toke…[Read more]

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          • I get my facts from the facts that the Liberal Party priority resolution is for legalization and the majority of posters on this site support legalization, including myself. As for self promoting, promoting to what?

            Simple, yet you just made it more complex when you mention incentives which is what I prefer. The agricultural sector is a big…[Read more]

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          • No Peter, cannabis legalization is NOT about a few people wanting their records expunged and certainly not about enjoying a toke without facing jail time … it is (as you well know) about taking billions of dollars of income out of the hands of gangs and organized crime. It is about curtailing the massive amounts of money spent on law enforcement,…[Read more]

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            • who said anything about more taxes? a carbon tax may even offset income tax, and/or provide green incentives.

              you want to tax cannabis, are you not being duplicitous?

              the policy that was adopted by delegates (I am a director-at-large in my eda, and, to my knowledge, we gave no authority to anyone to approve the policy) to legalize marijuana…[Read more]

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            • I can suggest several ways how you can better spend your time, brother. frank mills tried to hijack my post, so i’m just responding on his. he doesn’t seem to mind, so why would you. rhetorical.

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              • No, I really don’t mind Peter. For the record, I don’t smoke cannabis because, as someone else said and I can’t find the post now, it smells like skunk and makes me cough uncontrollably. Not quite as smelly and cough inducing as tobacco, but lose. I just don’t think it should be illegal. Taxing it wouldn’t necessarily be a new tax if it was…[Read more]

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                • I appreciate your even-minded approach to comments frank, not like some of the trolls I’ve encountered..

                  I won’t turn your policy post on cannabis into my opinion on carbon tax, I think you are also concerned about what we can possibly to about reducing carbon emissions without harming the economy, and the potential that green can bring to…[Read more]

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                  • one last comment here. I understand police chiefs across Canada are considering promoting simple possession as a misdemeanor. fines (tax revenues) and no jail time will streamline the system and cut costs. I hope they don’t set it up so that police have the same quota system as traffic (no pun inteneded) cops. I think it’s a step in the…[Read more]

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                    • Yes, we can use the money from fines to buy more weapons for our urban police forces. Let’s see, organized crime reaps say $3 billion a year from cannabis in Canada to fund their arsenals, so how about every time someone gets busted for possession the fine is to buy another assault rifle for the police to defend us from gang warfare. It all makes…[Read more]

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          • Decimalization is a far cry from legalization and decimalization might actually increase crime. No I feel only legalization, with marijuana treated as wine is, not hard liquor, is the only sensible answer. It pulls the plug on drug cartels, eases up on crime control, leaving our law enforcement to more important issues, and maybe a smaller…[Read more]

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            • the biggest drug cartel is in opiates, not cannabis, and I don’t see us stopping that fight. and the object of decriminalization is to permit the use of cannabis like wine, in moderation. it of course will get the law books away from any mandatory possession charges and repeal previous convictions for simple possession. it’s a step forward,…[Read more]

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              • Peter I think we are saying the same things, although my words, “pull the plug” was not what I meant, as we all surely know that any one area of a cartels operation is not a single thing, but pull the plug on one area of their operation, and then save money in court and law enforcement, for better use elsewhere like other crime activities, while…[Read more]

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                • okay, we’re pretty close. interesting perspective don.

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                  • Yep, it is not only the cutting of the really high costs of even charging a small grow op, it is all the potential of a highly profitable business contributing to our tax burden instead of adding to it, it is like a doulbe whammy to the positive. Cheers

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          • Peter:
            I agree with the direction of your comments.
            But on the CBC Evan Solomon said the greatest support for legalization is with the people under 25 who do not vote in significant numbers.

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            • it’s a big “if” those under 25 vote at all. the boomers certainly vote in much higher numbers and will continue to as we, at one time, thought our vote would result in forming a democracy. let’s hope trudeau can inspire more of us to get our Canada back. I think this particular issue is a trade-off in votes between the truly conservative…[Read more]

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              • Peter:
                Its possible to see this as a Liberal (more rights) versus Conservative (more control) issue but I think as the debate unfolds there will be health issues.

                Evan Solomon and others are just playing around the edges with “Have you ever smoked marijuana?” Its almost childish.

                I think we will eventually see more serious debate on the health…[Read more]

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                • there should be more science on any health issues, for sure, but I doubt they will be any worse than alcohol. taken in moderation, both alcohol and cannabis may actually be beneficial. social and cultural change are potential issues, as is selling it to would-be liberal voters who have concerns about its copious use. also, and I don’t mean to…[Read more]

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                  • Hi Peter:
                    I would like people to vote on this with their eyes wide open.

                    Cannabis does not adversely effect people over 25 who smoke occasionally.

                    But smoking when you are under 25 can contribute to testicular cancer, prostate cancer, cervical cancer, heart stress, lung dysfunction, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, psychosis, reduced…[Read more]

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                    • Interesting findings, but there is a cause-effect debate: the one I find most interesting in the drop in IQ found in a sample of those who smoked heavily in their teens compared to those who didn’t. I mean, really? surely, to show cause-effect you have to have strict control group sampling, and there must be hundreds of other variables…[Read more]

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                      • Peter:
                        Here is some more information on the New Zealand Study. Marijuana IQ Study Successfully Defended by Scientists

                        I am so glad someone in this forum is actually reading this stuff.

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                        • my background is in sociology and I’ve done/analyzed much research. they’ve covered some of the opposing points made but hardly all. what is meant by “regular use”? I don’t think of marijuana as a gateway to other drugs as they seem to, maybe hashish. and wouldn’t “regular drinking” of alcohol have similar findings, or even the…[Read more]

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                          • Peter:
                            I pefer decriminalization as well.

                            So do the Police Chiefs” as well.

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                            • But Michael, I thought you said that you were concerned about youth, health and costs.

                              Decriminalization does NOTHING to address any of those concerns.

                              1. It does not decrease the number of users.
                              2. It does not help reduce access to youth.
                              3. It does not raise money to offset health costs.

                              If you are really concerned about these things,…[Read more]

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                              • Martin:
                                Making marijuana available in every liquor store will make it more available that the current distribution by pushers.

                                Its the same for alcohol. We have beer and liquor stores in every town, this have made alcohol much more available to young people than it was in prohibition days.

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                                • Making something more available doesn’t mean more people are going to buy it. You have no evidence or scientific proof that more people will use cannabis because it is legalized. There ARE facts that dispute your claim – but you choose to ignore them. Millions of people already use cannabis. Pretty much anybody that wants to, already does.…[Read more]

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                            • The cheif of Police are looking for tools that they can use that do not require criminal prosecution for users.

                              This call for new regulations does not rule out legalization and regulation. Rather it helps the case to be made.

                              My biggest concern with decriminalization is the rewards to organized crime. I am sure the chiefs of police do not want…[Read more]

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                              • I agrree that the dealers will have the samed maket with decrimilization but I happen to agree that a ticket like we would give for speeding is a more appropriate penanlty.

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                                • A fine is a form of punishment. What are we punishing cannabis users for again? I forget.

                                  Are they hurting anyone? No. Are they endangering anyone? No. Are they stealing anything? No. Are they committing any kind of ’actual’ crime. No. But we should punish them anyway. Right. Makes lots of sense to me.

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                                • Legalization must include regulation. I do not see a contradiction.

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                                  • Absolutely, John there will be regulations at every level of government.

                                    But the police chiefs aren’t talking about that I don’t think, they are suggesting lowering the punishment for possession to a fine. I don’t see that as a step forward. In fact, just as with decriminalization, I think it is a step backwards. It sends a really mixed…[Read more]

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                                    • The police are sworn to uphold the criminal code. I do not think that they are in a position to argue against it publicly.

                                      It is only my speculation, but the police act makes a distinction between criminal offences and ticketed offence for their members.

                                      It is plausible that they need it to be decriminalized for their own protection at a…[Read more]

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                                • it makes getting caught smoking pot a misdemeanor, not a criminal offence. it’s de facto decrim before legislation can wipe it off the books. otherwise, cops are unsure of what to do.

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                                  • Every definition I see for the word “misdemeanor” refers to …a lesser criminal act… or …A criminal offense that is less serious than a felony…. So a “criminal act” still. I ask again … what “crime” are we punishing these people for? Why do the police need to “do” anything? There are already laws for smoking in public and inside,…[Read more]

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                                  • to elaborate, a misdemeanor is subject to a fine, not jail time.

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                                    • I am not sure about the definition of misdemeanor. What I will say is personal possession must not be against the criminal code.

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                                      • no, if the criminal code were to be fully applied by the enforcers, there would still be felonies and jail time for personal possession. the police are fed up with that too, and see the hypocrisy. that’s why as enforcers they have the right to interpret and advance what is slowly becoming more widespread behaviour among citizens, not just…[Read more]

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                                        • lessen, not lesson, although it seems i’m attempting to teach a lesson. let that be a lesson to you, more or less (on).

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                                    • This resolution from the police chiefs is actually asking for more options in dealing with possession. They feel that it would make their jobs easier if they get to decide, on their own, whether to issue a ticket or lay charges formal charges. They are not suggesting that they can ONLY hand out tickets, just that they want to have that option as…[Read more]

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                                      • I agree with most of your statement except the last paragraph.

                                        While it is not in the open discussion, I believe the police are the ones that have been and still are indirectly advancing the issues. They are directly involved with a failed policy and see the effects of it first hand.

                                        Something that I have noticed personally.The police attitudes…[Read more]

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                              • I think it does rule out both legalization and decriminalization doesn’t it? What exactly are you fining them for if its legal or decriminalized?

                                Seems to me all that the police chiefs are saying is that arresting people is waste of resources and doesn’t do society any good at all.

                                I’m not sure how they rationalize that thinking with the…[Read more]

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                                • Martin, I think that legal and tax is the solution. Will still need regulations for smoking in prohibited areas.

                                  I think the chiefs need another way to enforce safe community practices without laying criminal charges.

                                  I do not see a contradiction.

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                                • There are fines for smoking tobacco in prohibited areas. There are fines for consuming alcohol in prohibited areas. Both are ”legal” and regulated.

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                                  • exactly. you can’t walk down a street drinking beer. it’s a misdemeanor subject to a fine.

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                                  • Exactly. Cannabis will just fall under those same by-laws and regulations. That’s not what the chiefs are talking about. They are talking about instead of charging peoples with possession, we should just fine them. Why? Why not make it legal and tax them?

                                    I think we already agree John, just semantics at this point.

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            • Micheal; My experience is the people I know over 45 supports legalization. We are no longer rebellious, but do think about what will benefit society in general. The younger people seem to listen but do not seem to care if it is legalized or decriminalized. No one I have talked to supports the present system.

              Not sure how the CBC poll you…[Read more]

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              • Do the people you know have children? And when they say marijuana is OK, are they also saying it is OK for children under 18?

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                • That is my point Michael. There children are now in their 20’s and some do not know about Mom or Dad’s habit. I cannot believe the posters numbers, they are lower based on older peoples desire to maintain their secret habit.

                  I believe that it is more available to youth without legalization, based on past experiences.

                  I was underage 33 years…[Read more]

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                  • John:
                    Cigarettes are legal but you have to be 18 to buy them. Do you see pushers on the school ground selling cigarettes? I doubt it because it is so easy to get cigarettes at the stores.
                    I think there will be the same effect if we put weed into all the LCBOs.
                    The only avenue for the dealers will be tax free pot just as there is for…[Read more]

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                    • Michael, when I was a minor I could buy cigarettes at a store. Just bring a note, I was not more than 7 years old when I bought my first pack for one of my neighbours parents. My fist pack I purchase for myself at a store I was about 10, without a note.

                      Times have changed, cigarette retailers ask for ID and the age in Ontario is 18. I have seen…[Read more]

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                      • John:
                        I work with high schools and the only rule they have about smoking is you must be off the school property.

                        So at lunch time you will see maybe 50 kids across from the school smoking.
                        These kids are not 18 so how do they get the cigarattes. I am guessing that they give the money to an older person who buys it for them.
                        I mentioned earlier…[Read more]

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                        • The taxes could be much higher than tobacco.

                          Your idea about collecting butts makes sense on the surface, but be aware that roaches (cannabis butts) are not usually discarded, but are saved because of the higher price. I think that you can tell what they are smoking by watching their body language.

                          As for cannabis being cheaper to produce than…[Read more]

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                • Of course they don’t think it’s ok for children Michael any more than a parent that drinks alcohol thinks its ok for their kids to drink.

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                  • Well making marijuana is going to make it more available to children, so parents should be concerned.

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                    • You could not be more wrong in my opinion Michael. Right now any kid that wants it can get it. When it is regulated, it will be harder.

                      Ask any kid which is easier to get cannabis or alcohol and virtually every one of them will say cannabis.

                      I don’t really care how many times you voice your “opinion” that legalization will make if more, not…[Read more]

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                      • Martin:
                        I know you hate science and numbers but I still believe it is worthwhile.

                        Its true that prohibition did not reduce alcohol consumption and the main reason was it was not enforced.

                        During and after prohibition, alcohol consumption per capita was 5.3 litres per capita (1.4 gal) per year.

                        Today it is 11.7 litres per year.

                        One of the…[Read more]

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                        • Actually Michael, you “know” nothing about me. I happen to love science and numbers. I embrace evidence and facts and I do not tend to base my opinions on emotion or pre-determined bias.

                          Dean Graddon has posted elsewhere in this thread that my “tone” can be offensive to some. But apparently he has no qualms about personal attacks against…[Read more]

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                        • “Its true that prohibition did not reduce alcohol consumption and the main reason was it was not enforced.”

                          Ah, but why wasn’t it enforced? Because while a group with a particular agenda was able to push through criminalization, that status was never endorsed by the majority of the people.

                          In the same way, groups with particular interests…[Read more]

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                          • David:
                            Actually the temperance movbement was quite strong and had been building for at least 20 years before prohibition in 1918.
                            But there were powerful and rich people who liked their whiskey and there were so many police officers.
                            The other point I found was that most of the liquor was made in small stills which served the local area. The…[Read more]

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                    • Of coarse parents are concerned for the health of their children. This is why parents lie about their use to their children. Children lie to their parents because it is against the law.

                      I am questioning if parents, and children get honest feedback from each other. My experience is they do not, but with the discussion in the open, the quality of…[Read more]

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    • The cannabis issue cannot be the central election plank – Canadians care far more about whether they can make their mortgage payments and feed their children than whether they can smoke up or not. The economy needs to be front and centre. The cannabis issue can be framed nicely both in terms of economics (benefits of regulation and taxation…[Read more]

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      • Good post Hugh, it isn’t the central issue, it just needs to be supported when detractors keep going back to decriminization or even doing nothing. Legalization will help the economy but a lot more needs to be done to ensure their are good paying jobs for most of our citizens and to narrow the ever widening wealth gap.

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      • Well said. Judging by the threads shown, this topic is garnering far too much attention on this site. Whether or not the policy paper (yes, I read it and it is, overall, something I could support) on legalization has widespread support within the party and the population at large, I do not believe it to be a key issue. I am feeling as though…[Read more]

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        • “We” = martin showell, “desperately need to educate Canadians”. we =the rest of Canadians – martin showell, are well educated on the why, how, when of the policy, and words are not taken out of context by trolls. Intransigence may be important to some, but flexibility is more important. This is politics, not some fool’s game. There are…[Read more]

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          • This is a personal attack on me and my opinions. I am not a troll. It has no place in this forum. Flagged.

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            • Martin, I respect the fact that you are very passionate about your convictions, but I feel the need to remind you that this is a forum for DISCUSSION about potential policies. Regardless of whether a policy paper was written and voted upon, party members are in no way obliged to blindly support it. If we cannot express concerns or question…[Read more]

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              • I am discussing the issues Dean, as I see them, and making my arguments as best I can. If my “tone” offends, I apologize and I will endeavour to improve it.

                It is interesting however that, as you say, while I am careful to not make any personal attacks of any kind, that type of behaviour seems to be acceptable to you. The only “personal…[Read more]

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        • Dean:
          What concerns me is JT probably does not understand much about Jobs, The Economy and Global Warming.

          We have Kirsty Duncan who could help him on Global Warming. We have John McCallum who could help him with the economy. But I am not sure if the executive have been able to get him to sit down and get educated.

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          • I think that is what they are doing in PEI at the moment, though I could be wrong.

            I was surprised to see that Kirsty Duncan was moved out of environment. She is massively credible on that file.

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            • John:
              I just did a Google search and I can’t find Kirsty’s latest appointment. What is she doing now?

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              • Hi, Michael.

                She is now critic for Consular Affairs, International Development, and Status of Women.

                Here is the link:

                http://www.liberal.ca/mp/

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                • Hi John:
                  I hope they didn’t do that to muzzle her remarks about global warming. She was always quite outspoken about it.

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                  • I have the same fear Michael, her expertise and experience is environment. they did much the same thing to david mcguinty when he was chastised and changed shadow critic post for calling out Albertan cons for their disregard for the environment. my fear that the honourable approach of trudeau to broaden liberal appeal will end up by our not…[Read more]

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                    • john McKay is now responsible for environment…his background is economic development.

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                      • I am not sure I understand the logic. John McKay was doing a good job on the defence file. Now Joyce Murray, who would have been a great candidate for environment, is the defence critc and McKay is in environment.

                        There must be a method to the madness. Maybe space had to made for Joyce in a more senior position?

                        I am sure, or at least I sure…[Read more]

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                    • Peter:
                      Global Warming will take huge fortitude to introduce to the public. I have the feeling the fortitude is missing at the top so they don’t want it lower down.

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      • Absolutely, I agree. Legalization, regulation and taxation of cannabis is a policy that can cross several planks, economy, crime, health, etc. Framing it properly is very important and we definitely should not let it become the only defining policy of our party.

        But we desperately need to educate Canadians on the “WHY” of this policy. We need to…[Read more]

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        • Umm, correct me if I’m horribly misled, but getting high is kind of the point, isn’t it? Sure, the mind-altering characteristics have significant benefits for those using it “medicinally”, but recreational users don’t smoke the stuff for any other reason. Martin, at the risk of provoking your aggression, this IS a fringe issue. I agree…[Read more]

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          • When did I say anything like that, Dean?

            I specifically wrote:

            “…(it) is a policy that can cross several planks, economy, crime, health, etc…
            “…(we) should not let it become the only defining policy of our party…”
            ”… (it) should not be our only or our central policy but it is an important part of our platform…

            Which part are you…[Read more]

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          • Liberal House Leader, Dominic LeBlanc ~ “Stephen Harper and the Conservatives continue to argue for a war on drugs that has resulted in more than 475,000 Canadians being arrested on marijuana-related charges in the past seven years alone. And while gangsters and thugs get rich dealing marijuana, prohibition has cost Canadian taxpayers more than…[Read more]

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            • The failure of the war on drugs is the only reason for supporting legalization, as opposed to decriminalization or simply a different form of punishment. It is time to recognize that the war on drugs is more harmful than any of the drugs themselves. The sooner we legalize, regulate, and tax, the sooner we will be able to help those afflicted by…[Read more]

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          • Dean, what is important to me is destroying the criminal elements, informed and honest education,safer supply, and setting an age of majority.

            If my only goal was to find something to smoke, I would have found this topic useless 35 years ago. There are much bigger issues related to this discussion that decriminalization will not address. It is a…[Read more]

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      • Hugh:
        I totally agree about people’s priorities for making their mortgage payments etc.

        Stephen Harper has already started singing his song about “jobs and the economy” which is all he really talked about in the last campaign.

        Justin may get transparency points for his cannabis stance but its not going to attract a lot of voters unless he…[Read more]

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      • Hugh I agree that it should not be the central election issue. Nevertheless, it is an issue that should be discussed in a rational way.

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    • Your thoughts maybe in the right direction, we need headlines that let us all know where the LPC stands, not just one member even if he is the leader. We need to know what the leadership is thinking and where it is heading so that we can, being more democratic so we are told, can decide where we stand on many issues, not just be lead by insiders…[Read more]

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    • James:
      I totally agree with your comments.

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    • Can I have a statement from Trudeu’s views in 2009, then we can look at the issue rationally.

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    • James, I was hoping to get more than a talking point that has been wildly distributed.

      I think you are referring to the “Safe Streets & Communities Act: Increased Penalties for Serious Drug Crime”

      The Safe Streets & Communities Act includes provisions that would:

      Establish mandatory minimum penalties for serious drug offences when they are…[Read more]

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      • Not to mention that the omnibus bill contained dozens of other “tough on crime” provisions. Voting against the omnibus bill would involve voting against, for example, increased penalties for child pornographers.

        In fairness, the NDP did move to remove the drug provisions and the Liberal Party did vote against them in a whipped vote.

        Mr.…[Read more]

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    • james doesn’t seem to like the leader of the lpc, that’s his privilege. however, it’s not on topic.

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    • James, if your interest in other policies are stronger than this one, there is room for those discussions on Liberal websites.

      Just because this issue is front and center this week, does not mean that other issues do not matter.

      I know the polls show that older people do not support this, I question if older people are honest with the pollsters…[Read more]

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      • I am struggling to find the poll, but at least one that I have looked at shows that older Canadians support either legalization or decriminalization at approximately the same rate as younger Canadians.

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        • I am not worried, more polls will be done as the discussion continues.
          What I would be most interested in is the legal/decriminalize supporters by age group. I do not believe I have seen that data before.

          What I will keep in mind is the closet supporters that do not give honest feedback, these are the professionals that discloser could have on…[Read more]

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    • I am using Medical Cannabis and the iiue is very dear to me. I urge everyone with doubts or a wish to learn what changed Justin’s mind only need do a web search or two. A string I used is Canadian Cannabis research and research into medical Cannabis. A real good search uses Positive Result cannabis research. Then watch the source and avoid…[Read more]

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  • #attackads I think this says it all …

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  • Liberal #LeadershipRace candidate George Takach says it’s high time to end the prohibition on marijuana. Agree or disagree? http://www.georgetakach.ca/time_to_end_prohibition_on_marijuana

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  • There’s been a lot of talk abot legalising marijuana. Enough! This already an LPC policy voted on at the convention in Jan.

    Ithink we have more urgent things to discuss: the large proportion of Canadians who, for whatever reason, do not share in the prosperity of the nation. Especially the Aboriginal People.

    In this fair community, we…[Read more]

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    • Thank you Emilie for posting this comment. I should have done so months ago. The prevalence of the cannabis issue on this board is obscene when we are being ruled by a dictator and particularly now when we are in the midst of an internationalizing FNs revolution. We should all be supporting FNs, not just because their issues need to be…[Read more]

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      • What is your blog? WE have Haper to deal with but let’s not forget the NDP. On both extremes of the politcal spectrum we have parties that live on idealism of a few not on the needs of all. Both think their idealism is the answer for all, that the rest of us do not know what is good of us.

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        • My blog link was in the original comment. Here it is again http://harperwatch.wordpress.com/
          I certainly agree with you about the ideology of the NDP however, I and most people I know (Lib or NDP) do not want the opposition parties to start attacking each other. We have to get rid of Harper first.

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          • I would not suggest we attack the NDP, but I would be very cautious about being labled with them, ie one does not crawl into bed with the demon he does not know just to attack the one he does know. You may get tarred witht he same brush.

            I for one does not want any alliance with the NDP, especially an eventual joing of parties, that would be…[Read more]

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            • I don’t entirely agree Don. While i would much prefer a liberal govt over an NDP one [ merger is surely out, we are too different?] i don’t think it will go on forever [ a binary split in our politics] I fully expect – and will lobby for it – when either a liberal or yes, NDP govt if necessary, gets in, for them to immediately start a national…[Read more]

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              • We can have minority governments where parties can agree on certain bills and changes without giving formal control to the offical minority government.

                There may be times when a coalition is needed, but I believe those are rare circumstances.

                We do need some rules on Omnbus, the senate, and especially more then anything else, power given back…[Read more]

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                • Sure, changing the electoral system is one step. The first step. After that, you are quite right, returning power to MPs, lessening power of party leaders, changing standing orders, any number of improvements can be done. But none of those things has a hope in hell of being implemented under FPTP. Because under FPTP you are asking the guy with…[Read more]

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          • HI Linda: can people comment on your blog site? How do they do this?

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      • Actually, there is nothing obscene about the cannabis discussions. The truth of the matter is that a lot of people’s lives have been ruined by cannabis prohibition.

        Of course we need to do a lot better at dealing with First Nations also, although I will give credit to the Ontario Liberals for there current handling of the Algonquin Land…[Read more]

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      • I have to agree with Emilie on this one. I understand how important it is to some of the members, but this site is quickly becoming bogged down with this single issue discussion. JS and MS may need to seek out a more focused (single issue) party to embrace the fight.

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    • Judging by the thumbs up that Emily and I are getting it Looks like you are loosing this argument.

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    • If the $108 000 is true, it shows it is not being well spent if conditions overall for Aboriginal peoples are not trending in a progressive way over the past 100 years. Certainly the living standards of most Aboriginals do not match that figure you quote. The Liberal Party is about equality of opportunity and building strong individual skill…[Read more]

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      • There is equality of opportunity in Canada, unfortunately, it is not always available, where any people or FN people want to live as an intact community. As the population of these communities continue to grow it will and is becoming an economic issue, and we always seem to be one step behind and are too busy patching problems to promote long…[Read more]

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        • Don, I appreciate your forthright opinions about matters as it certainly describes you as an individual who wants to get things done and have a say which is admirable. I believe many Canadians would dispute your claim however that there is equality of opportunity for all in Canada. The challenges you point out of isolated communities without a…[Read more]

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          • You got me there, many would not agree that there is equality of opportunity, and I agree that there is a great short coming on opportunity, but that can be many faceted, I narrowly was aiming at the opportunity to move to other locations to find work, not on things like opportunity for education for the poorer of us.

            I was also referring to non…[Read more]

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        • Unfortunately, the idea of buying out FN and moving them from their traditional lands and activities is just the old colonial policy taken to its final extremity. FN are only in congregated communities on reserves because the colonial administration wanted it that way. These reserves are our creation, not theirs, and are now the little that they…[Read more]

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    • Exactly, we have decided we want to legalisze, so until we are in power all the rest is pointless, there will be time to dicuss the wheres and hows once we are governing.

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    • John, what is your real politcal leaning, beyond cannabis. Which party would you belong to if all supported cannibs equally, are their other issues you are concerned about equallly?

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    • I agree that the Aboriginal People especially are exposed to poverty. However, we have to remember that the poverty is spreading among significant number of Canadian families with an unprecedented speed. It’s time to address this issue with the goal of making sure that all Canadians are benefititing from our country economic grow.

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    • That’s interesting Emilie, looking back over the posts for the last couple of weeks I see about ten times as many posts discussing #aboriginal issues than I see #cannabis posts.

      Why do you feel that you need to bash one policy discussion to promote another? Surely there is room for any/all discussions to take place.

      Feel free to make your posts…[Read more]

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    • I hasve top agree with Emilie on this one. I understand how important it is to some of the members, but this site is quickly becoming bogged down with this single issue discussion. JS and MS may need to seek out a more focused (single issue) party to embrace the fight.

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      • Is that MS me? If so please feel free to use my name – in fact if you use @martin-showell I’ll even get an e-mail.

        Did you read my comment on this post? I point out that there have been far more posts and comments on #aboriginal than there have been on #cannabis in the past few weeks. In fact #cannabis makes up a very, very small % of the…[Read more]

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      • I don’t believe you are Liberal…I am not entirely sure what party best suits you but I think this party is too close to centre. i think you have probably tried a few on for size. I have asked you before, why you chose the Liberal party. Can you please explain why you are “one of us”? Note that i am not attempting to be confrontational. I…[Read more]

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        • I happen to like reading posts by @martin-showell. I think he’s a great contributor to discussions of all sorts on this forum.

          I don’t think anyone should be suggesting that someone should find a new party; that’s just not very civil. No one should have to justify themselves as if on trial of why they are a member of the Liberal Party

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          • I sincerely want to know what has drawn Martin to the Liberal Party. I think that is a legitimate question,that if asked, I would answer.

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  • Roger Palfree posted an update 2 years ago

    #leadershiprace I really do not see Justin Trudeau as ready for leadership, although I am willing to change my mind if the evidence is presented well. After all, I did join the Liberal party,

    But we do not want this leadership race to sink to the level of a reality show where people who do not understand what a leader must accomplish…[Read more]

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    • Agree, we need a wide open ideas based debate from as many candidates as possible. We’ll get to see if Justin measures up for the job or not. I’m sure Mr Garneau will either bring out the best in JT or point up his flaws….it should be fun.

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    • If Justin Trudeau doesn’t run there will always be a section of the liberal party that thinks ”WHAT IF”. He is not my first choice as leader, that vote goes to Dominic LeBlanc. Let’s hope that enough good candidates get on board and this includes people who do not hold office at the moment.

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      • He’d be my first choice of the undeclared candidates :) Of the declared candidates, I simply don’t know enough about them. Also, if we choose a leader who is not already an MP, we are going to end up spending a ton of money to get them elected – the CPC will put up a ton of money to keep them out and they have more money than Jesus.

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        • MP status not a problem in this case, though, and I think Jesus never had much money ;-)

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          • Jesus did not need any money or want any money and we all know the reasons. Perhaps we should use a different analogy. We all recognize the spirtuality of Jesus, and his underpiinnings as to who He was.

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    • Voted you up on principle, but i don’t think it does any good for us to complain any more. For one thing it only encourages those few who do troll, and for another it’s impossible to figure out those who just want to register legimate disagreement. But i sympathize. It would be nice for everyone to register why they thumb down.

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    • That’s the attitude i like to hear.

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    • In my opinion, two things are needed to make the next leader of the LPC successful:

      1. The LPC members and supporters need to take control of the upcoming debate and contest. “We” need to tell “them” what our goals are and what policies we want to champion and what our platform should look like and then pick the leader that best represents and is…[Read more]

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      • You and Kirk make a very good point about the long-term view, which I will keep in mind as the race develops. I will also be looking quite keenly at the shorter term too. I would not like to see the party take an even greater hit in the next election, and I would like to be sure that a strong hand on the tiller shows clearly a new course for the…[Read more]

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      • Really well said, Martin.

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      • Well said Martin…….However not like you, I am very commuted to to a certain leadership candidate. I am because the local candidate in my riding whom I plan to nominate and am presently campaigning for ,has been attracted to run for us in Brandon Souris as a result of a certain individuals leadership bid.
        Should this not be so. I would…[Read more]

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    • I agree about the need for a strong leadership election process.

      However, I think it’s a very important quality of the next leader that they be able to keep the Liberal Party moving forward electorally.

      The next election will not see a Liberal government. Best case scenario is winning govt in 2 elections. And that requires both someone who is a…[Read more]

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      • Hi Kirk

        Just curious, why you think the next election will not see a Liberal Government. My thinking is if the Liberal Party comes up with the best policies and elects a Leader who can successfully sell them across the Country, the sky is the limit. Of course I also believe ”that nothing is more powerful than an idea who’s time has come”

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    • How about a circus instead of a reality show, Roger? Somewhat like the circus in parliament. Droves of people would follow the race since most love to get a dose of endorphins from laughing at us. Our party has fallen so low that we are advocating the controversial policy of legalizing marijuana. Should we also encourage comedians to join the…[Read more]

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      • . Our party advocates the legalization and regulation of marijuana because it is good, sound policy that will benefit Canada in terms of personal freedoms, economics and crime reduction … not because “we have fallen so low”.
        . Intelligent people are often very funny. Funny people are not necessarily intelligent. Therefore, while a good sense of…[Read more]

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        • I agree, the last thing we need to do is make a mockery of the upcoming leadership race, although I think Jerry’s comments were an attempt at humour. Canada is not really known for having funny political leaders, although Jean Chretien and Bob Rae both have a decent sense of humour and aren’t as robotic as Harper or angry as Mulcair.

          I also…[Read more]

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          • Oh, I know Jerry was trying to be funny … I just think he missed the mark … by a mile. As I said in another comment, a good comic “knows his audience”!

            I would not want a leader that had no sense of humour and no style, flair, elan! I think that this may give Justin Trudeau a clear advantage over Mr. Mulcair or Mr. Harper in that…[Read more]

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            • I ask for forgiveness for failing to be funny. (I must be very religious, since this is not the first time I have asked.) I pledge to understand my audience, work harder and hone my craft. There are certain things about which one can’t joke. If we actually have an upcoming coronation, perhaps I cannot joke about the king? (Even though most…[Read more]

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              • I just hope you’re a better doctor than you are a comedian, Jerry :-)

                So, a man goes to doctor. Says he’s depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says “Treatment is simple. The great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That…[Read more]

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                • Actually, I am terrific at both and politics too. And that is no joke! Nice joke I had not heard, Martin. Many comedians lead sad lives. e.g. Lenny Bruce, Jackie Gleason (his theme song was “Melancholy Serenade”, Phil Hartman. Of course, tragedy and comedy go together and balance life. I think the Liberal Party of Canada, whether it lives…[Read more]

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          • I do not believe we are planning to elect a dictator and we have to choose the one who presents his policy platform that we like best. I think, at least I think, that we must have policies that the membership want and then choose a leader who seems most able and willing to lead and promote the policies we want. Parties should have distinct…[Read more]

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          • How about John Crosbie? Some failed to find his ’teguila sheila’ comment funny, even though he said it in the circus known as parliament.

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    • So sorry you missed the point, John. I am a comedian. Encouraging the party to laugh at itself…because others will. So the jokes on you. (btw I have been with the party, provincially and federally, for over 25 years including being a riding president. I worked with Dalton McGuinty and George Smitherman to bring about needed health care…[Read more]

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      • The thing is, if you are a comedian, you should know one of the first big rules of comedy … Know your audience!

        Judging by the thumbs down count, I think you misread this audience a bit.

        Encouraging the party to laugh at itself is fine, but attacking our policies, attacking one of our icons, trying to turn our leadership contest into a joke,…[Read more]

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      • Jerry,
        As you can see, there is still fire in the Liberal belly and we can come together when someone attacks.

        Great to see the passionate responses everyone.

        By the way Jerry, I’m not sure if mentioning your association with Dalton, George Smitherman, and health care is going to increase your ”Likes” around certain parts of this country !!!

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        • And here I thought everyone loved Dalton and George….sort of like the Barack Obama and Joe Biden of Canada. What part of the country, and for what reasons? BTW, I did not see my post as an ‘attack’. More like a good natured ‘roast’ or a ‘pat’. (Many tough-skinned politicians have told me that they don’t care what people say about…[Read more]

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    • John, while I agree (see my comments) that what Jerry wrote was at the least, not funny, and at the most, offensive, I don’t think it is a good idea to accuse people on this site of being conservative spies or operatives.

      Just because you don’t agree with someone’s line of thinking, doesn’t automatically make them the enemy.

      I do not agree…[Read more]

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    • Whatever, John. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, I don’t agree, however, that you have an entitlement to attack someone’s credibility and attempt to smear them. But, if you think that helps your, or the Liberal, cause … you go right ahead.

      Just because 77% of the LPC favoured resolution 117 doesn’t mean that those that didn’t…[Read more]

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    • I do not believe we are planning to elect a dictator and we have to choose the one who presents his policy platform that we like best. I think, at least I think, that we must have policies that the membership want and then choose a leader who seems most able and willing to lead and promote the policies we want. Parties should have distinct…[Read more]

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    • Based on what I know to date, I lean toward Marc Garneau. Still, a party leader has to engage voters. It would take a great deal more information to discount any of the candidates, least of all Justin Trudeau. Methinks democracy is not about holding private opinions and speculating from there, as the HarperCons, who select one issue one…[Read more]

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      • I agree that the party should be about ideas and policies. But we also need a leader that can discuss and debate in a public manner, not just in caucus and committee. Marc Garneau is obviously highly intelligent. Before entering politics he was an astronaut, which is one of the coolest jobs in the world. Yet he has not turned that super cool…[Read more]

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    • Good debate is healthy, but having the best policy did not win the last elections. A leader that can attract voters, with a team that can deliver great policies will deliver results.

      If you think that teenagers are the only people that he will bring to the ballot box, think again. Still doubting the star appeal, look at the picture of Justin with…[Read more]

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    • According to Brian Mulroney anyone in opposition, who under estimates the political abilities of this very talented fine young man will be in much peril. Now I know there’s no lost love between Mulroney and Harper, but all the same, he probably knows a lot more than most of us know about some of the potential consequences having Justin as a…[Read more]

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    • How old does JT have to be to be judged “ready”? My current favourite is Marc Garneau. I perceive both (and others) as potentials. From my perspective JT should ensure brain is engaged before putting mouth in motion and Marc should ensure that mouth is engaged in generating compact results. It’s a long, long time to the vote. I do not know who…[Read more]

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